8 But though
we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that
which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8 (KJV)
Heresy and apostasy has
arisen on many of the Christian Israel/Identity lists, and most of these
people who are aggressively promoting this vile, stupid, blind and foolish
anti-Paul agenda, are of the serpent seedline persuasion. This small group
of anti-Paulists has been attacking the Apostle Paul and any and all
possible allies to his good name and testimony in the Holy Bible, including
but not limited to the Apostle Luke. The Apostle Luke was even recently
called an apostate by one such anti-Paulist, who sometimes calls himself
John W Hendrickson (unknown because he refuses to identify himself clearly),
and who may be just another of the persona’s of Paul Tronvig. The attack is
serious, it has been methodically pursued for quite some time by a
relatively small group of people, not all of the CI faith, some not even
Christian, who are aiding and abetting this effort to cause division, and to
strike such a blow to the Christian Israel Identity faith as to split it
asunder.
At the heart of this
effort are a group of anti-Christian and anti-Paul sites where some who I
used to think of as Christian, draw information from to attack the faithful
in the Word on our CI mail lists. We will get to more names shortly, but
first let me tell you that there is a playbook for attacking the Holy Bible
in subtle and diverse manners, it is of some 2,700 pages in length, and
there may be more that hasn’t been revealed. I have a copy of that file and
have started to share it with others, it is 10 Megabytes in size and I am
sure, continuing to grow in the hands of Muriel Schmidt, who is either
materially assisting or coordinating this effort against the Apostle Paul.
Their distorted vision is
being crafted with a consensus by Muriel Schmidt, John W Hendrickson, Paul
Tronvig (a die hard Nazi until a year or so ago) and others to follow an
exhaustive and methodological path to wear down and weary the faithful with
their canned attacks that takes serious time to defang and debunk.
As witness, I recently
asked John W on the House of Israel group about something that he had posted
just days earlier and quoted it back to him, but he didn’t recognize it,
most likely because it had come from another source as a cut and paste
attack. The anti-Paulists aren’t serious in debating you or me; they are
stealing our time while they confide to one another that they haven’t found
anyone worthy of them yet to do a peer review of their self declared
accomplishments! This file I now have proves conclusively that once an error
in their statements is identified and corrected, with appropriate citations
and proof, that they neglect the correction and resume using that error in
presenting the same argument afresh to other parties. They are not innocents
in search of the truth, they seek not to raise the Word, but to raze it to
the ground and grind it under their Judaizing heels.
Muriel Schmidt admits that
she has been against the Apostle Paul and his writings since 1960. The
massive file that she has collected is being used as a resource and
blueprint to test, probe, weary and drain the time and energy from those
whom they challenge to answer questions, as if these anti-Paulists were
allegedly, sincerely seeking the truth. There is a sharp, clear difference
between their honey smooth words to us and what they share among themselves.
Muriel Schmidt approached me to assist in copying these files to CD-ROM for
her, I declined, but another was found and got so disgusted by what he was
seeing and reading as the project unfolded, that he refused to aid this
unholy effort any longer. In one thing I give Muriel credit, it wasn’t she
who has been directly haranguing and arguing with everyone else though she
isn’t shy to encourage others.
Moses wrote about a third
of the Old Testament, Paul wrote about the same in the New. Both either
murdered someone or were accessories to murder. Moses killed an overseer who
was beating an Israelite, Saul held and watched the cloaks of those who
stoned Stephen to death. King David sent Uriah the Hittite to his death so
that he could unlawfully and deceptively have his wife, whom he lusted
after. His son Solomon showed a distinct lack of Godly wisdom for a long
period in his life where he married aliens and allowed these foreign wives
to erect temples and shrines in groves for the worship of their false gods.
The Bible isn’t a story about saints only, it is about us, sinners who are
confronted and humbled by our merciful God, who changes us so that His glory
will be magnified in our hearts and among His people, and from this we learn
how great His love is. The anti-Paulists appear to have a fundamental error,
in that they think by race and not grace, their acceptance by works without
faith is assured. Here is how one well known CI gospel broadcaster who is
long familiar with them, put it:
The most important
thing which you need to understand about these people is that the reason
they have no use for Christ Jesus is that they have no use for
reconciliation, atonement, imputation, or justification; in short, they have
no use for salvation. And the reason they have no use for these fundamental
acts is that they have no concept of personal sin or alienation from God.
In this thinking, they are Talmudic Jewish to the core. They consider
themselves by physical birth to possess covenantal relationship with the
Eternal. While they give lip service to the law of Moses, they in actuality
are not trying to be saved by keeping the law of Moses, because they do not
consider themselves to be in need of salvation. This is because they do not
consider themselves to be capable of sin. These people are nothing more nor
less than Pharisees.
Their hatred of
Paul is, fundamentally, a hatred of the truth. The teaching of Paul focuses
upon the fact that every descendant of Adam requires justification, yet the
law is unable to provide justification. Consequently, it is necessary for
man to receive the imputation of a righteousness which is foreign to
himself. By analogy, every descendant of Adam is born hopelessly in debt.
Through keeping the law, the very best man can do is to keep from sliding
further into debt; there never is a surplus with which to amortize the
debt. But in actuality, no man faithfully keeps the law, so the
indebtedness always is increasing.
Much of the trouble that
this group causes is that they waste your time by their incessant carping
over what is to the rest of us, quite obvious and perceptible. The anti-Paulists
seem to have all sorts of time to dispute, quibble and wrangle over the
smallest matters, making me wonder if they actually have teams of people
attacking the lists we use. In my viewing so far of well over 1,100 pages of
their notes, indeed they do cooperate with each other in these attacks. It
isn’t though just a matter of bringing sound truth to rebut their attacks,
but it is a matter of recognizing that we have been targeted and are under
assault by unbelievers and enemies of Jesus Christ, who all the while
falsely proclaim the same beliefs as ours; yet they constantly attack the
Holy Bible in their alleged quest for the truth. The first person I took
note of was Paul Tronvig, who was until a year or so ago, an ardent
non-Christian Nazi. He was introduced to me via a well known CI speaker and
writer, and since then the rising pattern of vagueness, circular reasoning,
poor reference of resource citations, and quibbling over clear statements by
these people, has continued. They steal your time and soon, others who would
post don’t or won’t because of the futility of dealing with these deceivers.
Being blind, they want others to go into the ditch with them, so don’t let
them try to take the proverbial mote out of your eye when the beam is
squarely in theirs.
The slippery slope of
compromise and confusion has regrettably been crossed by some who ought to
have been better prepared for their debate, as this partial response by John
Knight to just one of several well noted and eminently qualified CI
protesters, who objected to these endless unholy discussions on one CI list
notes:
There's no doubt that those who distrust Paul
are causing you some heartburn. Your suggestion, though, that they're the
ones who're being adversely influenced by jews suggests to me that you
really haven't grasped the significance of their points?
Either that, or you're using this ancient jew
tactic yourself [inferring someone is an "anti-semite"] in order to keep
from thinking about the excellent critiques they've posted to this forum, or
to prevent them from continuing their discussion?
Those who are experienced
and are as armored sheep in the flock have no real worry regarding them, but
these heretics and apostates among us seek small niches to probe and drive a
wedge into, and they also confound and confuse those new or yet still weak
in the faith so that they can be reasoned with in a scientific or
philosophical, Gnostic and Judaizing manner so that they will hopefully
follow or accept these false shepherds on the CI lists. Remember the parable
about the sower of seeds and how the birds came to take some away so that
nothing grew, the similarity is the same. These anti-Paulists are also being
entertained by some of us as if they were honorable and wise, and if we only
learned to search more deeply with them, that we might better see the merit
of what they maintain is the truth. Remember, they want to strike such a
blow as to drive a wedge and split the faithful in CI asunder, here is one
such statement by Muriel Schmidt to another of the CI faith proving this:
Obviously, such an
exclusionary stand on such a central subject as
Biblical Canon would create a firestorm of
controversy, possible backlash and ultimately a huge and deep division
within the CI community.
The ever humble Paul
Tronvig wrote one pastor to badger and admonish him, saying:
If you cannot refute my
numerous posts on Paul quickly and easily, you must stop promoting his
gospel or you are taking the enormous risk of working for the Antichrist.
(It just gets worse from there – Andy)
Muriel Schmidt wrote her
pet wolf Paul Tronvig, who uses the alias Wolfgang and Wolfy, the following:
Greeting… am sure you have
saturated the recipient with plenty about Paul being an Edomite??? I am not
staying in touch whatsoever with Eli after hearing from you on his
squishiness… (A nice sweet grandmother with fangs like this, needs to be
watched carefully! – Andy) Here is another post from Muriel:
Muriel Schmidt <muriels@arkansas.net
wrote:
Thanksgiving greetings.. here is what you might be interested in knowing
how Wolfie and I feel about Arnold. He talked DOWN to me as if a
woman does not need to have an opinion.. you are wasting time on him..
and today, TIME is very precious.. . in my opinion. of course, ms
One more
post regarding how some are measured twice before the proverbial slice is
the following:
Subject: A Close Look At Deuteronomy 23:7
AI hope you
can put some sentences on this topic, for Scott is getting "THE
TREATMENT:,, and I am grooming him for the saul' / paul routrine..
thanks ,, ms
One of their
fellow travelers known as adsurf 20, is noted here as he pontificates and
divines about the meaning of scripture:
I came across this most
interesting prophecy in Zechariah chapter eleven tonight. As I was reading
it, my heart was pounding and I had goosebumps. I see PAUL of TARSUS all
over this following prophecy and will show you how and where. The funny
thing was, as soon as I had finished reading it, and received the revelation
from Yahveh about its meaning, "a pastor" from the Church of Christ, wrote
me a slightly nasty email, telling me to "stop thinking and dreaming." I
found the timing to be very odd, considering the magnitude of this
prophecy! … The bible version I'm using for this is:
Sacred Scriptures Family of Yah Edition
It might be better to find
oneself in a den of thieves than among these scorpions, adders and wolves,
in my opinion for you might still escape with your life from thieves, but
among these, they will have your very soul for they will settle for nothing
less.
Pastor Jeff Weakley puts
it very plainly in this fine statement where the issues really lay before
us:
It has been brought to my attention that many
Identity groups (such
as these yahoo groups) have been infiltrated by
serpents pretending to be children
of God. This is nothing new. These tares almost always teach a form of
Judaism (Pharisee-ism, Sadducee-ism, Gnostic-ism, etc.) and they go to great
lengths to attack God's Word.
Lately, the attack upon Scripture has been
focused on rejecting the writings
of Paul. It seems the serpents would have us believe that
Paul's writings conflict with the rest of the
Scriptures. Mature Christians are
never taken in by such dribble but the serpents are not
out to snare the mature. The serpents have 2 other
goals in mind.
First, they seek to ensnare the babes in Christ
among us. (They like opponents who
are unable to defend themselves.) Second, they seek to
prevent truth seekers from examining Identity by
passing themselves off as the
typical Identity believer, thus making us (as a whole) look like
idiots. How often have I tried to share the
"Tribal Truth" with a
Judeo-Christian only to hear "Are you the guys who believe this or
that?" Of course their brother serpents in
control of the media are a great
help to them in this misrepresentation of the Identity message.
For the sake of any truth seekers who are
giving this a fair read I wish to
say that the anti-Paul crowd does NOT represent Identity. They
are even unable to follow their own views to a
logical conclusion. Let me
explain. IF they were right (and they're not) and Paul was not a
true Christian, we would have to reject all his
writings. So we would have to
scratch Romans, I & II Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians,
Philippians, Colossians, I & II Thessalonians, I &
II Timothy, Titus, Philemon and
Hebrews right off the bat. It would not stop there. We
would also have to reject Luke's Gospel because
although Luke wrote it, it was
really Paul's Gospel. As Luke worked with Paul in his evil deeds
we would also have to reject Acts (which was
written by Luke and shows Paul to
be a real Christian). We would also need to reject Peter's
writings (I & II Peter) as Peter classified Paul's
writings with the "other
Scriptures" in II Peter 3:15-16. Next, we must reject the Gospel
of Mark because it was really Peter's Gospel
(Mark was just the writer) and
Peter can't be trusted if he thinks that Paul is OK. But now we
must also reject the Gospel of Matthew and
John's writings because both
Matthew and John viewed Peter as a Disciple of Christ. So there goes all 4
Gospels and I, II & III John and the Book of Revelations. Let's
see what we have left of the N.T. ? James and
Jude alone. But wait. Peter James
and John were pillars of the (early) church (working
together). Can we really trust James if he
could be mislead by both Peter and
John? So you see that when their dribble is actually applied
they must reject all the N.T. except Jude.
The Holy Spirit gives true Christians a
love and hunger for God's Word. We
read the New Testament and the Holy Spirit says "Amen". This
reveals the problem with the anti-Paul
serpents. They are NOT born again
and do not have the Holy Spirit. Oh "yes" they have "A spirit"
but it's not the Holy Spirit.
As Christians our new nature wishes to seek
peace. We do not seek conflict.
Yet we are commanded to reprove the works of darkness (Eph.
5:11). We are not allowed to sit by and let
these serpents spew forth
their venom unopposed. When you read their
trash SAY SOMETHING! Take a stand
for our God and Savior, Jesus Christ and defend His Word.
A fine Christian Israelite
writes also:
If there's one person the Jews hate more than
Jesus, it's Paul. When Paul left the Pharisees, the Jews persecuted him. In
every city Paul preached in, the Jews would organize a mob and try to kill
him. Today's Jews blame Paul for proselytizing Gentiles and building the
Christian Church. "By their fruit ye shall know them"...I'd like to see Paul
Tronvig's ministry produce one-zillionth the fruit that Paul the Apostle
did...That would indeed be a miracle..!
Here is a partial listing
about who the people are believed to be actively assisting this effort,
based on the 2,700 page file they maintained:
Muriel Schmidt – Master or
Mistress of Ceremonies for this circus of confusion
Paul Tronvig, alias
Wolfgang and Remember the Alamo
Dream
Visions has a web site critical of Saul/Paul at
http://www.netfaith.net/whoispaul (They call us mainstream Kristians)
John W Hendrickson,
usually goes by John W
John Knight (Fathers
Manifesto, etc.)
Nikki at yahsway4me.com
Sherry Shriner at
sherryshriner.com
The Yahoo group
SaulPaulandSatan
The Yahoo group False
Apostle Paul
How I received this
information and why is something I feel a need to explain. Over the past
several months these anti-Paulist posts and attacks had been increasing,
with my concern growing such that I made mention to Pastor Dan, who is a
frequent recipient of these anti-Paulist messages, as are Eli James and Carl
Klang, why Pastor Dan was reposting them without apparently reading them
several months ago? Certainly these would strike any Pastor as bizarre if he
were to read them. In South Afrika, Dr Finlay who is regarded as a very fine
thinker by these anti-Paulists lost a large number of his flock when he went
publicly anti-Paulist, and no wonder. Here is a portion of the message from
a concerned Christian Brother that I received after posting some sharp
rebuttals of the anti-Paulists:
Muriel
Schmidt had befriended me, and was trying to win me over to the anti-Paul
arguments. About 2 months ago, she sent me over 400 emails. They represented
a collection of the emails between members of the Paul/Saul research group
on yahoo lists. She asked me to paste them altogether, and burn it to a CD.
While pasting, I started reading them, and finally decided our 'friendship'
was not worth aiding this unholy effort. The material was very slanderous
and destructive. As you know, this group wants to convince CI to remove
about 14 books from the NT--the epistles of Paul, Timothy, Titus, and the
gospel of Luke. It's not beyond them to malign more of Holy Scripture. I
wrote back to these individuals telling them I thought they had no business
critiquing Paul if they didn't even understand the milk of the gospel. They
seem to think salvation comes by obedience to the Law. They are a distinctly
Jewish sect of CI. Emails sent to-and-fro clearly indicated they were
planning 1) publishing a large commentary on Anti-Paul. 2) turning this
commentary into the footnotes of a new study bible they hope Identity
Christians will adopt. I see this especially dangerous since so many
Identity Christians are like me--babies---and are first drawn for carnal
(often) reasons. This is real poison they are concocting. I wouldn't be
surprised if they threw in a few 'sci-fi' stories and canonized them as
well. George Udvary has been rewriting the Bible on his desktop, and
recently joined the Paul/'Saul group. He is their author for this 'new'
Bible. Needless to say, I had enough, and wrote them that I could not send
them copies of their CD, and I wouldn't help them any way, shape, or form in
the future. About that time, Scott Michaels sent an email which got to me
even more upset. Scott bragged how such an anti-Paul book could literally
split CI, leaving it an ash-heap.
Interestingly, none of the individuals in the Paul/Saul group call
themselves 'Christians' or even like CI much. Below are some emails I saved
that may shed more light on this den of thieves:
reply... no
about 100 more, but will hold until you say I should send.. Will all of
this go on ONE CD????
These guys doing the discussing are really using all their info and
the
Arnold Kennedy from new zealand is not for the 2 seed line, and
neither is Neimela ( retired Navy colonel in Virginia). so there are
more points here ===.. John knight asked me where we should take this,
and I suggested just start a new site and keep the group with those who
are in agreement, as there is not enough time to go around convincing
folks against their wills...
This is no time for missionary work. . We passed the HUNTING period,
and are now in the FISHING closer to the topics.
I realize that this is really big chunk ..to chew on.. I have been
unhappy with Paul since 1960.. so it is not hard for me to see what is
going on...
George Udvary is completely on board.. I have some tapes from Rev.
Dr. W. R. Finlay, of Johannesburg, S A . who was strong against
Paul, and will send your some, as he is a fine thinker.. Another top
writer who was a close friend of Finlay == and you may have seen some
of this writer's books as he is a top Israalite.. Richard Kelly
Hoskins.... He almost had a full nervous breakdown as a result of the
antonistic folks who resented his anti Paul materials..\\
this is not a new project.. it is just that the Evangelicals with their
Scofield bibles are in full swing right now, with the jews as the
chosen people, and all hands on deck to help israel... This is what
damage can be charged directly to Paul...
in my opinion. ms
Both of these pastors are Identity, and do not think that it is just
mongrelizing the name. . There is too much t hat the Saviour taught
that Paul overlooks, negates, and brings in the universalism..so it is
difficu8lt to discuss that as the Pauline Christianity just gets put
up front, ( in error)...
I will send you a copy of a book that is very easy reading, and its
title, The Dead Sea Scrolls Dece[topm/// .. You will find it worth
while, and not tedius study.
Keep it for your own library... by the authors of " Holy Blood, Holy
Grail"... a few years back.
At 12:09 PM 12/24/2004, you wrote:
so far the
word document is 1057 pages long...I got about one hundred more emails to
paste...you must have a lot remaining...???
Also on
12/24
The real
estate deal will be closing the middle of January and I plan to help
George with his work on the Identity Bible.. this is something that
will fit with your heart and head as he is sincere about the wrong
parts of the scripture and his material will make those corrections
that we all look ahead to have.
in his HOLY Name,..ms
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jacobisrael/message/399
From:
scott michaels <scott_24002@y...>
Date: Sun Jan 2, 2005
6:25 am
Subject: Re: [jacobisrael]
Re: Who killed Jesus |
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Folks,
I think that up to this point in this most
excellent
debate-discussion on the authoritativeness
of Paul and
Luke that we have now established enough
grounds for
reasonable doubt to place their writings
under serious suspicion. The very fact that no seal of
approval, any mention, outside of one questionable
one, was given or made by Yahshua or by the apostles,
concerning Paul and Luke, is enough in and of itself
to view Paul and Luke, who seem to come out of no
where historically speaking, with suspect intentions.
This is indeed a very serious state of affairs for the
subject of Bible Canon and demands an ongoing analysis
and eventual decision by the
CI body as to Pauline and
Lukean inclusion in Holy Writ. Perhaps even a kind of
"internet council" could make a preliminary
declaration on the matter before a future physical
council would be convened to formalize any final
decisions, if such a meeting would even be viewed as
necessary, in these days of chaos. Needless to say, a
careful examination of the reasons presented by the
early church fathers for the acceptance of the
writings of Paul and Luke would be critical for any
formalized decisions forthcoming.
Obviously, such an exclusionary stand on such a
central subject as Biblical
Canon would create a
firestorm of controversy, possible backlash and
ultimately a huge and deep division within the CI
community. As tragic as such contentions would be, all
true Truth seekers acknowledge the age old conviction,
"The Truth against the world." May the Father guide us
all in the seeking of and the accepting of His Truth.
Scott
P.S. Many thanks go out to all participants on both
sides of the debate for their excellent presentations
and civil behavior within this most potentially
heated, controversial, discussion.
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Muriel does
much to fan the fires. She also is generous with her money. I don't think
any of them are FBI/etc. But, Muriel always acts like Wolfgang (ironically
his real name is Paul) in WA is the ringleader. I was given his phone number
and tried talking to him about salvation. He hung up on me. But, he did
mention he never has been a Christian, and before CI was a national
socialist of some type. He's well educated, and owns a hotel that doesn't
get much business. That's where I think he gets all of his wasted time. He
admitted to me he uses 'reason' to dissect the Bible, but never once
mentioned his own salvation or the holy spirit guiding him, prayer, etc.
This guy is a big fake, and it's not hard to tell by his own barren
branches. As an 'ex-national socialist' it's apparent where Wolfgang is
coming from. He's more like a 'church of the creator' infiltrator than an
FBI agent, but what's the difference?????
The
Paul/Saul group has been as methodological as a group can be on the
internet. I agree with you. I do think they are attacking CI lists, as a
prep to their upcoming published material(s). Unfortunately, it seems to
have infected others since the arrival of Wolfgang to the scene, and now I
fear it may be here to stay. You are soo right that the next thing around
the corner is 'sci-fi'/Holy Grail/self-delusional imagination books taken as
'inspired text'. Anything is possible with their appetites.
I still have
the collection of their pathetic research. If it would help you tear apart
their arguments, let me know, and I'll send it to you. PS> they are probably
able to overwhelm the lists because they're just cut-and-pasting old
arguments/debates from the Saul/Paul yahoo group. That's probably one reason
Muriel wanted me to turn all her saved emails into a single CD. She said
copies would be circulated between anti-Paul advocates, and I should get
ready to "collect a percentage from the proceeds from sales"...
It's too bad
this kind of energy can't be spent on researching the strengths and
weaknesses of 'dispensationalist'....The silver lining-- while an anti-Paul
movement in CI may further discredit us, hampering efforts to reach the
larger Christian community, it will separate the goats who hate the gospel
from the sheep who know Christ. However, I also think we reap what we sew.
CI tends to be preoccupied with genealogy and not as focused as we should be
on Christ's atoning sacrifice. Have Identity preachers properly cared for
their flocks? If CI doesn't now the 101 of the gospel, then how can we brave
the storm? These anti-Paulers are baby antichrists, compared to what lays
ahead.
I also agree
with you that anti-Paul advocates are squarely anti-Christ in nature.
There you have it, the
lines are drawn and in the twilight of her life, the grand Dame of CI is
seeking a palace coup against the Holy Bible. It is said that she is handing
out money to those who sing her tune, and if so, may her money perish with
her, but to the Glory of God may the Truth win out. Those who say that Paul,
Luke and every apostle who supported them are apostates, are just plain
wrong. You have the facts before you, choose you now whom you will serve,
and decide that those chosen by God to be His Apostles are indeed genuine in
their collected testimony and proof, or these anti-Paulist fools two
thousand years hence who strain at gnats while swallowing camels.
One last thing, Muriel
Schmidt recommended a book above, it is by the same authors who wrote that
Jesus Christ was just a mortal, had children by Mary Magdalene and these are
the alleged heirs of the Church today. The fellow who twisted this story for
the two authors in Holy Blood, Holy Grail confessed in court to making this
all up. You can read about it in Cracking Da Vinci’s Code by James L Garlow
and Peter Jones, pages 112-113, Victor Press, © 2004, and available at
Wal-Mart. If there was such a clever story in the Dead Sea Scrolls
Deception, by these same authors and of which I have a copy, then why didn’t
it pan out after the release of the Dead Sea scrolls in the early 1990’s? It
didn’t pan out because it isn’t true and Muriel Schmidt is deceived.
15 And if it
seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will
serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that
were on the other side of the
flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me
and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Joshua 24:15 (KJV)
4 For
it is impossible for those who
were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made
partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If
they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they
crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put
him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
4 Neither
give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions,
rather than godly edifying which is in faith:
so do.
5
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and
of a good conscience, and
of faith unfeigned:
6
From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor
whereof they affirm.
1 Timothy 1:4-7 (KJV)
With friends like this,
who needs the Jew?
Vaya Con Dios, Andy
