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Washington: 80 homicides per 100k

<<<At the peak of the violent crime wave in the early 1990s, Washington, D.C., was known as the "murder capital" of the United States. The number of homicides peaked in 1991, with 482 murders. As the population of the city was just over 600,000 at that time, this meant that the District's homicide rate was 80.6 per 100,000 inhabitants. By contrast, when New York City, with 7.3 million people at the time, hit its highest homicide count and rate with 2,245 murders in 1990, this meant a murder rate of "only" 30.66 per 100,000.>>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

If a city (no, country) like Washington DC, will ADMIT to a homicide rate of 80.6, then the actual homicide rate is at least 50% higher and perhaps twice as high, putting it in the range of 121 to 162. These are the folks who control the numbers, so it's extremely easy for them to cook any of their own statistics which put them in a bad light, up to and including the complete removal of the column "homicide" from the table "Death Rates, by Leading Causes--States" in the 1993 and 1994 editions of the Statistical Abstract of the United States which would have contained the above figure, or one even worse.

They did manage to restore this column by the time the 1996 edition was published, at which time the homicide rate in DC was down to "only" 72.4--a rate still 42 TIMES higher than Maine at 1.7, and 362 TIMES higher than Singapore at 0.2.

The politicos quietly implemented a plan to reduce the homicide rate from 80.6 to 35.8.

But still, the murder rate in Washington, DC, is higher than in Columbia, Madagascar, or Mozambique.

Why?

Terry

iow, compared to Washington, according to Washington's very own statistics, Baghdad is a peace zone );

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ovrace.txt

Terry

You made the same mistake as that dunderhead Britt Hume.

>>We should add that a murder rate of 80.6 in a city like Washington with a population of 600,000 means that, annually, more Washingtonians are murdered than soldiers are killed in Iraq.

iow, compared to Washington, according to Washington's very own statistics, Baghdad is a peace zone );<<

Hume compared the number of US soldiers who had been killed in Iraq to the number of homicide victims in California. (California has roughly the same area and population as Iraq.) He implied that I'd be safer as a soldier in Iraq than I am now here in California. Problem is he's ignoring that the deaths in Iraq were among a population of about 150,000 while those in California were among a population of about 30,000,000. He didn't take the proportions into account. By way of example, 60 deaths among a population of 150,000 may be fewer deaths than 100 deaths in a population of 30,000,000, but they represent a death rate of 40 per 100,000 while the 100 deaths represent a rate of less than a third per 100,000.

When you compare casualty rates in urban America to those in Iraq, be sure that you're either counting US soldiers as a portion of the population of US soldiers in Baghdad, or else add in the deaths of Iraqis in Baghdad and count all the deaths as a portion of all the people in people, US soldiers and Iraqis.

The place is not a peace zone compared to Washington.

Dave

When a soldier in Iraq dies of a heartache, or AIDS, or cancer, or an accident, or even if he's shot by an Iraqi 12 year old girl, he's counted as a battle field death, for many good reasons. With an average of 150,000 troops there over 2 1/2 years and only 2,000 deaths, this is a death rate of 533 per 100,000 soldiers.

Conversely, the overall death rate in Washington, DC, is 1,242 per 100,000 population, about 2.3 times higher, and murder is a significant reason for Washington's high death rate (one twice as high as Utah).

Just murder in DC over the four period when DC was the Murder Capitol of the World took 2,000 lives. In that same period of time, because of DC's extraordinarily high AIDS death rate, another 2,400 died of AIDS. DC even has a high diabetes death rate, taking another 840 Washingtonians' lives. It's cancer rate is 3 times higher than states like Alaska, taking another 6,072 lives. Contrary to popular belief, most of these 11,312 deaths are not associated with those who die of old age--most died at an age equivalent to the age of our soldiers in Iraq.

The highest risk group or all in the US are males between the ages of 14 and 24, particularly black males. By the most conservative estimates, the rate at which black male youths in DC die JUST from homicide is higher than the death rate for ALL causes for our soldiers in Iraq.

Before we were in Baghdad, the homicide rate in Iraq was listed by the UN at 1 per 100,000--an EIGHTIETH of the rate in Washington. Who knows what it is now, but rather than focusing on the war going on right outside their windows, our congressmen decided to spread the joy far and wide.

Terry

For what other reason besides gun control would you think residents of New Orleans and DC are 400 TIMES more likely to be murdered than residents of Mesa, Arizona, Singapore, or North Dakota? Do you think the difference in gun control laws is the only factor?

Terry

ps--JUST today I found that the murder rate in New Orleans a decade ago had already exceeded Washington's record shattering rate of 80.6 by 5 points, reaching 85.8. Gun control?

Thank you for making things clearer.

Dave

Just how many AIDS and cancer patients does the Army send to Iraq? None. How many would remain in Iraq diagnosed with AIDS or cancer? None. With nearly 2100 American troops dead in Iraq, at your claim of 150,000 over 2.5 years, how would 2100 average to 533 deaths per 100,000 troops? That fact, alone, makes the rest of your argument absurd.

Terry

ps--JUST today I found that the murder rate in New Orleans a decade ago had already exceeded Washington's record shattering rate of 80.6 by 5 points, reaching 85.8. Gun control?<<

It's pretty clear what you're driving at, but apparent you haven't the balls to do more than allude to the "other reason. "

With an average of 150,000 troops there over 2 1/2 years and only 2,000 deaths, this is a death rate of 533 per 100,000 soldiers.

FYI: 533 is a lot more than 80.6 and the current 35.8.

No matter how good a job the US Army does of screening the health of soldiers, and they do a good job, soldiers die of all sorts of things besides AIDS and being shot. Heart disease and cancer, which are far bigger killers than AIDS, and diabetes which is right up there, can be missed, or can develop in the field. Your focus on AIDS is confusing. More soldiers die of many other things besides being shot or from AIDS, so it's not clear what you mean by "That fact, alone, makes the rest of your argument absurd".

Here's the math: (2,000 deaths / 150,000 soldiers)/ 2 1/2 years x 100,000 = 533 deaths per 100,000 soldiers

The graph at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ageracesex.htm shows that black males 18-24 years old died just from homicide at a rate of 180 per 100,000 population, nationwide, in 1994. But the homicide rate amongst blacks in Washington was three times higher the national average for blacks, so black youths in Washington died JUST from murder at the rate of 540 per 100,000.

Nationally, black youths in this age group also die of heart disease at the rate of 42.6, accidents at 60.5, neoplasms at 38.5, and "residual causes" at 71.3. It's likely that, because of other indicators in DC, that the rate at which black youths in DC die of these causes is even higher. Even so, using just the above figures, here's the tally so far:

540 = murder

42.6 = heart disease

60.5 = accidents

38.5 = neoplasms

71.3 = residual

752.9 = total less AIDS (which is another 93.8)

So you see, even excluding AIDS, and even excluding the higher death rates at all ages, for all factors in DC, the publicized death rate of soldiers in Iraq is suspiciously low.

Terry

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr47/nvs47_09.pdf

Terry

While there certainly are other reasons strong, healthy young troops die in any sort of battle, they are exceptions to the rule, and for the purpose of staistical argument, not worthy of mention. The reported deaths are primarily the direct result of violence pepetrated against them, as a rsult of Bush's war. You can not minimize the numbers by explaining them away as acts of nature, natural causes, etc..

 Your focus on AIDS is confusing. <<

Hold your panties, it's not my focus, but yours. . . here is what you posted:

>>When a soldier in Iraq dies of a heartache, or AIDS, or cancer, or an accident, or even if he's shot by an Iraqi 12 year old girl, he's counted as a battle field death<<

>>Here's the math: (2,000 deaths / 150,000 soldiers)/ 2 1/2 years x 100,000 = 533 deaths per 100,000 soldiers<<

I'm no mathemetician, and neither are you, because your numbers simply don't add up. Perhaps someone else can help out with the correct ratio.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr47/nvs47_09.pdf<<

The CDC doesn't do morbidity rates for war casualties.

Are you saying the deathcount in Iraq is okay because it's lower than D.C.'s?

Are you saying it's okay that it's mostly minorities and the poor who fight our
wars for us, because they die in greater numbers at home anyhow -- so why not send
them off to be cannon fodder while affluent whites continue to attend college where
not many of them get murdered?

Are you saying that once the percentage of deaths in Iraq equals or surpasses the
percentage of deaths in D.C., we can stop the war?

>>>the publicized death rate of soldiers in Iraq is suspiciously low.<<<

Suspiciously? Are you saying there's some plot to keep the death rate low?
Or are you saying that it's probably higher than is being publicized and you suspect
the government is lying about the number of deaths?

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The government always lies about such figures. But let's view this from a different angle, as I've just discovered something TODAY which might make us... pause. The following is a summary of FBI statistics at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ovrace.txt

"There were 806,316 homicides in the US between 1965 and 2004, and 588,611 of them were committed by blacks, of which 179,808 were blacks who murdered Whites. Of those Whites murdered by blacks, 43,541 were cleared and 136,267 were not cleared. In just four decades, American blacks killed almost as many Whites as were killed in WWII, four times as many Whites as were killed in Vietnam, and 60 times as many Whites as were killed in 911 or Iraq".

Think about that for a minute. Whew. It still hasn't sunk in completely.

Terry

The original point was GOING to be that soldiers dying in Iraq at a rate of 533 per 100,000 soldiers is suspiciously low. But several inputs suggest that:

A) The number is even lower, and

B) After looking at this data more closely, there's another bigger and even more important point.

Regarding point A, if there have been 200,000 soldiers in Iraq for 3 years as some have suggested, then the rate would be:

((2,000 deaths / 200,000 soldiers) / 3 years) x 100,000 population = 333 deaths per 100k

In looking at the graphs at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ageracesex.htm I mistook the "offending" graph for the "victimization" graph. The 380 homicides per 100k was the rate at which black youths committed homicide, not at which they were murdered. The correct rate at which they were murdered is "only" 180 per 100k.

So the original point that they were murdered at a rate almost as high as the rate at which soldiers in Iraq were killed is not correct. And if the 333 per 100,000 soldiers in Iraq is correct, then black youths are murdered at a lower rate--but they commit murder at a higher rate.

But who're they murdering? If they're not murdering each other, are they murdering blacks of other age groups? It doesn't seem like it. Black male youths 14-17 years old commit murder 6 times more frequently than they ARE murdered, from age 18-24 they commit murder twice as frequently as they ARE murdered, and greater than age 25 they're equally as likely to murder as they ARE murdered.

The murder rate for blacks in DC is two to three times higher than the national murder rate for blacks, though, so the above rates need to be multiplied by two or three:

333 = rate at which soldiers die in Iraq

260 to 540 = rate at which black youths are murdered in DC

760 to 1,140 = rate at which blacks in DC COMMIT murder

They aren't murdering black women, because they're murdered at only 12-22 homicides per 100k.

Who?

And WHY? Why is a black male youth in DC more likely to be murdered than a soldier is to die in Iraq of ALL CAUSES?

Terry

If there was a God, there would be no despots, no Religious Right, and definitely no Republicans.

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If it's so clear to you, why don't you clarify it for the rest of us?

Terry

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True. There are a few problems with thinking all is ok, though:

1. The reason the rate dropped from 80.6 to 35.8 is the decrease in the percentage of males in the age group 14-24. This is cyclical and when it increases again the rate will skyrocket beyond 80.6.
2. In DC, even though the rate is now an average of 35.8, black males at the age of soldiers in Iraq, are murdered at the rate of 180 per 100k.
3. This is just homicide.
4. The death rate for soldiers in Iraq of all causes may be 333 rather than 533

Terry

2. That's a pretty good indication it isn't a valid to get worked up about.

3. Probably nothing near that high for black, white collar workers of that age.

4. The U.S. death toll for October was 96, a rate of 1,152 per year. Figuring 150,000 troops, that's a rate of 768 per 100,000 troops.

What's your point in all this? That Iraq should be a tourist haven?

Thank you, thank you. I knew that figure wasn't right, but couldn't get the math straight in my head. Math was never my best subject.

if that was his point he didn't need the emphasis on the crime rate in predominantly black communities to make it. No, he was suggesting blacks cause more deaths than war.

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Ah, it was just the normal cost of doing business? Called collateral damage? No big problem? Just because the murder rate in our nation's capitol was equvalent to the death rate for ALL causes for soldiers in a war zone is no reason for alarm, since it was just a "crack war"?

What are you saying?!

Why would you dare to try to justify such carnage?

What about New Orleans, where the MURDER rate was even higher, at 85.8? Another crack war? So no cause for alarm? How many Whites need to be murdered by blacks to raise your ire? 10,000? A million?

http://jacobisrael.us/homicidecities1994.gif

What about Gary, Indiana where the rate was so much higher that it TOO became the Murder Capitol of the World, so bad that the state, city, and country couldn't even handle it and they had to call in the feds?:

Gary, Indiana: "Violent crime in Gary, Indiana, is increasing at an alarming rate. Last year, Gary had the highest per capita murder rate in the United States. BJA provided the city's Violent Crime Task Force with $112,000 to target, investigate, and prosecute individuals committing violent crimes with firearms in and around the city. Since the inception of the grant in 1994, 130 firearms have been seized, 98 investigations have been initiated, and 44 arrests have been made."

http://jacobisrael.us/gary.htm

Another crack war? No big deal? What about Detroit? Just a crack war, so don't worry my silly little head?

"Detroit became the nation’s most violent big city last year, even as crime rates in the city and its largest suburbs generally dropped, according to a report released Monday by the FBI."

http://www.detnews.com/2004/metro/0405/25/d01-162833.htm

http://jacobisrael.us/detroit.htm

Are you SURE that you'd be safer in Detroit than in Iraq? Absolutely positive? Would you bet your life on it?

My bet is that you know exactly why ALL of the Murder Capitols of the World are --- IN THE US, NOT IRAQ.

Terry

I'm saying if you aren't part of the crack business, your chances of being killed in 1991 in DC were less.

>> My bet is that you know exactly why ALL of the Murder Capitols of the World are --- IN THE US, NOT IRAQ. <<

Get real man.

"The Mongrelization of Detroit"? That's the headline on the website you cited. Do you really believe that's a citation that should be taken as anything other than a perfect example of pure racism?

Depends on how someone defines racism. Is it racism for the FBI to note on their web site that in the last four decades, almost 180,000 Whites have been killed by blacks? The high homicide rates in the four cities with the highest percentage of blacks should give you a clue that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Do you want to shut down the FBI web site for racism?

Do the numbers. It's simple math (addition and subtraction, with a little division).

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ovrace.txt

Should we complain to Ruth Bader Ginsberg that the FBI web site is full of racism? Is that how you define racism?

Terry

To be specific, the FBI web site shows that in the entire country in just the last 40 years, blacks murdered 806,316, which is 403 TIMES as many soldiers as died in Iraq.

179,808 were interracial homicides.

This is according to the FBI.

iow, there were 90 TIMES as many interracial murders than there were soldiers killed in Iraq.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ovrace.txt

Terry

179,808 were interracial homicides.<<

What is odd is that you haven't shown the incidents of homicide by whites, or whites against blacks. What you have done is shown us the inner workings of the psychopathic mind. You seem to be justifying the deaths of our troops in Iraq, needlessly, because of some racist observation that blacks are killing whites and each other.

You're a sick sob who should not be given a voice on our forum.

I think it's pretty clear that referring to "the Mongrelization of Detroit" qualifies as racist.

And I think that most people would recognize it such. Decent people, certainly, would recognize it as such.

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You were given a link to precisely the data you claim I "haven't shown the incidents of", and here is another even more obvious graph from the FBI. Look it up yourself and quit claiming that I didn't spoon feed it to you, because I did:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ageracesex.htm

You also didn't answer the question about whether or not you think the FBI site should be shut down for "racism"? Do you?

I'm not denigrating the soldier in Iraq at all. I've been there, done that, and greaty sympathize with the plight of all American soldiers, all around the world. But you seem to keep missing the point, which is that 90 TIMES as many Whites were killed by blacks in the last 4 decades than soldiers died in Iraq in the last 3 years.

http://fathersmanifesto.net/genocide.htm

For what reason would you NOT want to seriously consider why an EXTRA 180,000 Americans were murdered--because they were Whites? Doesn't that make YOU the racist?

Terry

And I think that most people would recognize it such. Decent people, certainly, would recognize it as such.>>>

Let's keep our racial slurs straight. Wouldn't you agree that the 270 putative Christians in this putative Christian nation who read the Holy Bible, most of whom know that the phrase, concept, and word "racist" is never mentioned even once in 6,000 years of Israelite history, are mostly "Decent people"?

You need to define your slurs, because my trusty, voluminous, exhaustive copy of the 1949 New Century Dictionary doesn't have a definition either. Since you're the one using this slur, you're the one who needs to define it.

Fair enough?

http://fathersmanifesto.net/racism.htm

Terry

But you seem to be concentrating on the statistical number of blacks who commit acts of violence, and glaringly admitting the data on whites. I have no interest in such data, particularly over a forty year span. The economic demographics have changed in forty years, several times, in several directions.

>>You also didn't answer the question about whether or not you think the FBI site should be shut down for "racism"? Do you?<<

Insofar as such data gathering has a reasonable purpose, I'd have no problem with it. It shows the break down of moral fabric in the absence of quality education, well paying jobs, and well planned racial integration. If, however, the FBI demonstrated that such data was gathered for the sole purpose of profiling, or some other means of contravening the US Constitution, I'd oppose it.

<<I'm not denigrating the soldier in Iraq at all. I've been there, done that, and greaty sympathize with the plight of all American soldiers, all around the world. But you seem to keep missing the point, which is that 90 TIMES as many Whites were killed by blacks in the last 4 decades than soldiers died in Iraq in the last 3 years.<<

Rather than simply alluding to the point of your messages, why don't you tell us your point?

>>For what reason would you NOT want to seriously consider why an EXTRA 180,000 Americans were murdered--because they were Whites? <<

I don't believe the data is accurate, nor do I think it is germane to violence elsewhere, by different social or racial perpetrators.

>>Doesn't that make YOU the racist?<<

No, it does not.

I have.

>> Wouldn't you agree that the 270 putative Christians in this putative Christian nation who read the Holy Bible, most of whom know that the phrase, concept, and word "racist" is never mentioned even once in 6,000 years of Israelite history, are mostly "Decent people"? <<

Interesting phrase, "Isrealite history." Your website, which you cite frequently, denies that Jews were killed by the Romans. In fact, it cites a number of disparaging remarks that it claims were made by Jesus about Jews, despite the fact that Jesus never made such remarks.

So why are you citing pure, antisemitic fictions?

>> my trusty, voluminous, exhaustive copy of the 1949 New Century Dictionary <<

You might try getting your hands on a newer dictionary.

And then explain how "The Mongrelization of Detroit" isn't a really nasty headline. And then explain the "poll" on "exiling black" to Liberia which exists on the website that you continue to cite. Is that your ultimate agenda? To exile black Americans to Africa?

Here's the url. Is it an accident that it's part of the website you continually cite? http://israelite.netfirms.com/pollliberia.htm

It's difficult to see any other motive since this is a highly publicized section of the website.

Let's go a little further. Here's a lovely section from that site.

Would you enlighten as to how Jews destroy children? Or how the Talmud subverts famlies? Explain why you are so involved with a website that supports revoking the right of women to vote. It seems that your connection to this website requires a bit of explanation on your part.

I don't believe the data is accurate, nor do I think it is germane to violence elsewhere, by different social or racial perpetrators.

>>Doesn't that make YOU the racist?<<

No, it does not.

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What proof do you have that the FBI data is wrong? Why would you think they would post false information on their web site? If you think they did that, call them up and demand they put up or shut up. If they falsified the data, call them on it.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ageracesex.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ovrace.txt

Since you didn't take the time to define "racist", please allow me to. It's "racist" for you to proclaim on no basis whatsoever that credible FBI data which shows a consistent pattern over more than 40 years of blacks killing Whites, totalling almost 180,000 murders to date, is not "germane to violence elsewhere, by different social or racial perpetrators".

That's racism personnified. To proclaim that we should ignore 180,000 murders, particularly INTERRACIAL murders, makes you an accesory to the crime of genocide.

You really can't get much more racist than that, can you?

Terry

"an EXTRA 180,000 Americans?" Is there an official quota of Americans who can be murdered, and the number was surpassed? Who sets the quota? If an "extra" number
of Americans are being killed, will the quota number rise the next year?

>>>>because they were Whites? <<<

How do you know they were killed because they were white? Maybe some were murdered because they were mean bastards. Maybe some were killed because they were caught
with somebody's wife, or stealing something, or for any other number of reasons. Why do you say they were killed because they were white?

I didn't say it was wrong, I said it was not germane. The conclusions you draw from the FBI statistics are your own, and those of KKK, Neo-Nazi and other hate groups, certainly not those of the FBI, or any reasonable persons.

You keep attempting to link me to to your subversive hate sites, so I'm quite aware of your purpose here. You get no quarter from me.

That's racism personnified. To proclaim that we should ignore 180,000 murders, particularly INTERRACIAL murders, makes you an accesory to the crime of genocide.

You really can't get much more racist than that, can you?<<

I'm waiting for you to post the numbers of blacks killed by whites, over that same period. 

Because Washington, DC has the most strict firearm laws in the US. No citizen is allowed to own a handgun in Washington, DC, while the criminals are allowed to own firearms. That wasn't a hard question.

You surely must be black to ask that question!

You surely must be black to ask that question! <<<<<

Why?

Why not? I am sure most white knew what the point was.

As I am white, I DO know what the point is. Racism, brought to us by the same people who brought us the terrorist Timothy McVeigh.
Do you agree with the white supremacists, Gunny?

YOu seem to be having a difficult time following this discussion, so let's back and correct a few of your misperceptions. I hope you can understand the following and not put any more words in my mouth. You took my statement completely out of context when you wrote the following:

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>>>>because they were Whites? <<<

How do you know they were killed because they were white? Maybe some were murdered because they were mean bastards. Maybe some were killed because they were caught
with somebody's wife, or stealing something, or for any other number of reasons. Why do you say they were killed because they were white?

Let's go back and look at what I wrote originally:

<<<For what reason would you NOT want to seriously consider why an EXTRA 180,000 Americans were murdered--because they were Whites? Doesn't that make YOU the racist?>>>

"because they were Whites" was a question, and you even ignored the question mark. The question was why someone would ignore 180,000 murders, and if the reason they ignored them was because the victims were Whites. Do you see how you misread what I wrote and thus misrepresented what I meant? Is that clear to you now? Can we proceed from here without confusing you? Or do you want more clarification?

Let's proceed.

The question has been asked how many of these interracial murders were Whites who killed blacks. The data is of course right there on the FBI web site that I quoted. But now that I see that I'm dealing with some folks who might not be the brightest candles in the box, let me quote ONE of the figures:

In 1978, there were 269 blacks who were killed by Whites:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ovrace.txt

If you've been following this discussion at all, can you tell us how that stacks up against 179,808 Whites who were killed by blacks? Can you give us an estimate for the overall ratio? Just a wild guess? Or use your calculator.

Or, even better, find a source that disputes these figures which you claim to be wrong!~ If they're wrong, where's your evidence? If you have no evidence, what makes you think they're wrong? Are you an expert in the field? Do you do autopsies? Do you base this in TV "news", or the movies, or comic books?

Terry

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Are the 200 lives that Timothy McVeigh is responsible for more valuable than the 180,000 WHITES who were murdered by blacks? If we had 100 Timothy McVeigh's, they'd be a tenth as dangerous as American blacks, wouldn't they?

http://fathersmanifesto.net/genocide.htm

Terry

You surely must be black to ask that question!

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I think you must be right, Gunny.

Let's see if Rourke can answer the following riddle.

Washington, DC became the Murder Capitol of the World in 1991 with a record high murder rate of 80.6, and a population of 83% blacks.

Only 9 years later, in 1999, the murder rate had dropped 55% to only 35.8, parallelling a decrease in the percentage of blacks to only 61.4%.

What, Rourke, do you believe accounts for this radical decrease in the murder rate? Poverty? Age? Nationality? Any other excuses you can think of?

http://fathersmanifesto.net/washingtondc.htm

Terry

Why don't you go peddle your b.s. somewhere else, like your white trash shacks and trailers in the woods. Keep
trying to convince yourself you're really NOT ignorant pieces of crap while stroking those guns you use as substitutes
for dicks.

Do you agree, as the site proposes, to revoke women's right to vote?

Do you agree, as the cite proposes, to transport all black Americans to Africa?

Do you agree, as the cite states, that no Jews were killed by the Romans when they sacked Jerusalem in 76 CE?

Do you agree, as the cite proposes, to do away with rape laws?

These are very direct questions. Will you answer them?

I suspect that's quite correct. It would be interesting, however, to see if and how he actually addresses direct questions with direct answers.

Somehow I think you're going to be waiting a long long time for an answer.

Have you ever been to Africa? I doubt it. It is a beautiful country. The people the most human I have met, outside the cities. You should go and see what your talking about.

I think you win the contest, zip. This qualifies as the most RACIST, rabid statement of all time.

When confronted by the news that ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND (180,000.00) WHITES WERE KILLED BY BLACKS, you did the usenet equivalent of dancing on their graves.

Greeeeeeeat big yawn, a distracting inference to the trivial number blacks killed by Whites, and a bunch of handwaving about "economic demographics" which have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

You are a racist personnified, zip. I can't even imagine a single White in this country reacting to the news of 180,000 dead BLACKS in the same blase manner you reacted to the news of 180,000 dead Whites. The worst you might expect from a White is a fleeting thought of how we might avoid getting involved in helping them, or providing financial aid, or risking the lives of fellow Whites to help them. Not a single White I know would be that blase about the death of ONE black, much less 180,000.

WHAT demographics have changed, and why does that putative change satiate the DEATHS of 180,000 White Americans? Can't you at least PRETEND to be concerned about so many deaths?

http://fathersmanifesto.net/genocide.htm

Terry

That's racism personnified. To proclaim that we should ignore 180,000 murders, particularly INTERRACIAL murders, makes you an accesory to the crime of genocide.

You really can't get much more racist than that, can you?<<

zip replied:

I'm waiting for you to post the numbers of blacks killed by whites

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Why didn't you just look it up yourself?

Do you want me to spoon feed it to you just so you can claim that it's "racist", or "wrong", or "anti-Semitic"? Is that why you refuse to post it yourself? So you won't have to admit that you know?

Well, let's compromise. I'm going to post a figure here for the number of blacks killed by Whites over the last 40 years, and if you don't think it's right, then you tell us what figure YOU "think" is right, what your source for the CORRECT figure is, and why you think the FBI is LYING, ok?

14,100 = blacks killed by Whites

179,808 = Whites killed by blacks

Which figure do you think is larger, zip? By how much?

Terry

Have you ever been to Africa? I doubt it. It is a beautiful country. The people the most human I have met, outside the cities. You should go and see what your talking about.
 Do you agree, as the cite proposes, to transport all black Americans to Africa?

Have you ever been to Africa? I doubt it. It is a beautiful country. The people the most human I have met, outside the cities. You should go and see what your talking about. <<

I asked a question about a specific website, Neil. That's what I was talking about. I'm very sorry that such a simple thing went over your head.

Most things do, of course.

Another racist piece of white trash chimes in.

I suspect, as with most racists, your color is the only thing you have for which you can be proud. You proselytize it as if were a religion. You have some serious issues which you need to deal with before it's too late.

In fairness, William, he's "shown his hand" from the first message he posted. The one he has been repeating over and over, with slight changes. Check out the White Supremacist link he's provided.

Let me know when the statistics have reached your immediate family, and I will pretend concern. Meanwhile, I don't distinguish the value of a human life by color or race, unless, as is the case with hate mongers, they have no redeeming social or human values. You call yourself a Christian, yet you spit in the eye of everything that is good and decent about Christ and religion, in general. You're one sick bastard, and I don't even pity people like you. For too long, sociopaths like you have plagued mankind.

"Although slightly less true now than before,
most murders are intraracial

From 1976 to 2002 --

86% of white victims were killed by whites

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

And this:

Victims Offenders
White Black Other White Black Other
All homicides 51.1% 46.8% 2.1% 45.9% 52.1% 2.0%

Oh gee, why do you think he neglected to share???

And this:

Victims Offenders
White Black Other White Black Other
All homicides 51.1% 46.8% 2.1% 45.9% 52.1% 2.0%

Oh gee, why do you think he neglected to share???

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It was me who posted the link to the FBI site in the first place, it was you who failed to read it, now you're reading it improperly, and you have the brass to ask "why do you think he neglected to share???"

Let me read it properly for you, as you seem to be incapable of comprehending the point. Now that the following figures are on record, and you are on record as having read and accepted them, let's complete the analysis, ok?:

14,100 = blacks killed by Whites

179,808 = Whites killed by blacks

275 million = number of Whites

33 million = number of blacks

179,808 / 33 million x 100,000 = 544 blacks per 100,000 murdered Whites

14,100 / 275 million x 100,000 = 5.1 Whites per 100,000 murdered blacks

Does it still not make any sense? Then just ask.

Terry

ps--oh, ok, I'll tell you. According to the FBI, not a "racist web site" (unless you want to call the FBI and have their "racist" web site shut down), blacks are 107 TIMES more likely to murder Whites than Whites are to murder blacks. This is what the FBI ADMITS to. There are a LOT of questions about their data [read: the figures MIGHT be twice as high as that, based on a discrepancy between police reports for murders in cities and the data on the "racist" FBI web site].

pps--think about this. Why was a person in Washington, DC, with a population of 600,000, more than 360 TIMES more likely to be murdered than a person in North Dakota, with the same population? It doesn't take too many cities like that for the murder rate to ramp up higher than the FBI data.

pps--think about this also. The RACIST FBI web site shows that black youths commit murder at the rate of 380 per 100k, BUT--are murdered at the rate of "only" 270? If they're not killing each other, who're they killing? Per 100,000 black youths, there are 110 murders which are NOT each other, NOT their parents, and NOT their younger kin.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/ageracesex.htm

Nope! Sure don't, but I don't believe in black supremacists either, do you?

You have got to be kidding, why it would take an IQ of at least 12 to solve such a riddle! <g>

***What, Rourke, do you believe accounts for this radical decrease in the murder rate? Poverty? Age? Nationality? Any other excuses you can think of?***

He will probably answer "White people" for everyone knows black people never do any wrong, just ask jesse jackson.

Nothing racist about it, and the only white trash is the one that tried to make something racist about it, you!

Now don't come back and tell me I violated any rules, you called me white trash before I brought it back on you. Or is this one of them forums where the management does not have to follow their own rules?

There's nothing wrong with using the term "white trash" when it's the kindest thing one can say about another.

You're right about one thing, though, the management decides, solely at his or her own discretion, what constitutes a violation of the rules. This is a private business, not governed by the rules of a democracy. Those who support the Democratic Party are obviously, and rightfully, given more latitude than those here primarily to degrade Democrats or their platform. For those who don't don't like it, there is a means of exit.

Well, then there is nothing wrong with it, because that is the kindest thing I can say about the like of you, and still be honest!

Nope! Sure don't, but I don't believe in black supremacists either, do you?<<<<<<<<<<

Don't know any. Do you?

Well, then there is nothing wrong with it, because that is the kindest thing I can say about the like of you, and still be honest!

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The term "black trash" doesn't even begin to describe your black supremacist attitude, so that's the infinitely kindest thing that could ever be said about you.

Terry

I suspect, as with most racists, your color is the only thing you have for which you can be proud. You proselytize it as if were a religion. You have some serious issues which you need to deal with before it's too late

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It's obvious that you can't follow the math,and thus keep missing the point, so let me lay it out for you, nice and clear.

First, you intimate that I would support the killing of 168 people in the OKC bombing by McVeigh, which of course I do not support nor condone. Second, you ignore that McVeigh was not only brought to justice, he was executed for his crime. Third, you ignore that JUST the 180,000 Whites killed by JUST blacks took 1,007 TIMES AS MANY LIVES as McVeigh. Fourth, you ignore that JUST the 136,267 Whites killed JUST by blacks who were never brought to justice left 136,267 black murderers free to murder again and again, compared to McVeigh who was EXECUTED for his crime.

And now YOU claim that it is ME whose "color is the only thing you have for which you can be proud", when it is YOU who raised the issue of color--and are a BLACK SUPREMACIST, not to mention a ......

Let's summarize the above.

If there were a thousand more Timothy McVeigh's bombing a thousand more cities as successfully as he did--they still wouldn't kill as many PEOPLE [black and White], as the number ONLY of blacks who killed ONLY Whites.

Does that make any sense?

I'm absolutely positive that you didn't understand a single word of the above, can only wave your arms wildly and jump up and down, and proclaim all sorts of epithets, yet again--without a single shred of recognition of these simple facts.

Terry

jesse jackson?

Black supremacist?

How so?

How does that math work out for the 86% of all whites murdered, who were murdered
by whites?

How does that math work out for the 86% of all whites murdered, who were murdered
by whites?

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You never did answer the question about why you think Whites in the US would commit murder at a rate of 3.6, which is 6 TIMES higher than their brethren in Ireland or Sweden or Switzerland--and 18 times higher than their brethren in North Dakota.

Had you done that, the following MIGHT make a lot more sense to you. But we're going to do the math right now anyway, right before your very eyes.

You know, of course, that Hispancis are included in the category for "Whites" on the FBI tables and graphs.

And you know, of course, that in that category in 1993 there were 191 million Whites and 22 million Hispanics, or 89.7% Whites and 10.3% Hispanics, who had a combined homicide rate of 3.6. Do you know of any reason that American Whites should have committed homicide rate higher than mostly White North Dakota or 0.2, or at most Ireland at 0.6? I don't either, but let's be conservative and use 0.6.

89.7% x 0.6 + 10.3% x X = 3.6

0.5382 + .103X = 3.6

.103X = 3.062

X = 29.7 = Homicide rate of Hispanics

Such a homicide rate for Hispanics is half their rate in Colombia of 60, but consistent with Venezuela and Los Angeles of 30. Los Angeles is unique because it's the only American city which had the distinction of being the Murder Capitol of the World which wasn't due to blacks--instead, it was due to Hispanics.

So you see, most of the "White on White" homicides were actually Hispanic on Hispanic.

Just for kicks, here's the calculation if Whites actually have a homicide rate of 0.2:

89.7% x 0.2 + 10.3% x X = 3.6

0.1794 + .103X = 3.6

.103X = 3.42

X = 33.2 = Homicide rate of Hispanics

So this really doesn't change the homicide rate for Hispanics that much--except that if you happened to be that extra murder committed by Hispanics you might not agree.

Terry

http://fathersmanifesto.net/homicide.htm

Do you agree with the basic agenda of that particular website?

Do you agree with the basic agenda of that particular website?

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First, what has that got to do with the topic at hand?

Second, exactly what makes you think it's any of your business what web sites I read?

Third, considering your racist attitude, it's YOU who's the racist, and not that web site.

Fourth, the subject is the homicide rate in Washington, not any holocaust.

Fifth, quit trying to divert the topic from this to your all-time favorite.

We know what your problem with that web site is. Your problem with that web site is that it contains FACTS you don't like, not that it's "racist". You obviously call anything "racist" that doesn't agree with your extremist racist perspective on life.

There's a REASON our nation's capitol has the world's highest homicide rate, even higher than Colombia, and 134 TIMES higher than Saudi Arabia. You need to tell us what that reason is, not divide and conquer this forum. This is literally a matter of life and death. In 1993, if the homicide rate in Washington had been the equivalent of Saudi Arabia's, there would have been only 4 homicides, saving 480 lives in ONE city, in ONE year.

Terry

The fact that your citations frequently come from a website authored by Holocaust deniers and overt racists certainly calls into question your entire agenda.

>> Second, exactly what makes you think it's any of your business what web sites I read? <<

You may read anything you like. You may cite anything you like. But don't expect that in a public forum such citations won't be questioned.

>> Third, considering your racist attitude, it's YOU who's the racist, and not that web site. <<

What racist attitude? Be specific.

>> Fourth, the subject is the homicide rate in Washington, not any holocaust. <<

Actually that's only one of the subjects. It's been quite wide ranging, if you scroll through the messages.

>> We know what your problem with that web site is. <<

Oh? We do?

>> Your problem with that web site is that it contains FACTS you don't like, not that it's "racist". <<

So it's a fact that the Holocaust is a hoax? It's a fact that blacks should be exiled to Africa? These are facts?

So it's a fact that the Holocaust is a hoax? It's a fact that blacks should be exiled to Africa? These are facts?

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It's a fact that their internet poll at http://fathersmanifesto.net/pollblacks.htm shows 89% want to exile blacks to Africa, if that's your question.

It's a fact that you are MISREPRESENTING their data on the holocaust--they are not "denying the holocaust" at ALL. Re-read it and tell us what they're ACTUALLY saying!

Terry

It's a fact that you are MISREPRESENTING their data on the holocaust--they are not "denying the holocaust" at ALL. Re-read it and tell us what they're ACTUALLY saying!

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Suddenly, you're real quiet, so permit me to answer my own question.

What the page at http://fathersmanifesto.net/holocaust.htm reports is that there WAS a holocaust--a REAL holocaust. There were 264 million CHRISTIANS dead or missing after WWII. Now THAT is a holocaust, particularly since this consists of things like the 500,000 innocent German civilians without a political bone in their body nor a soldier close by who were fried to a crisp in firebombings of Dresden, and another 400,000 in Hamburg, and who knows what and where else.

Does that sound like "holocaust denial" to you? Of course not.

Terry

Let's see. A self-selecting group takes a survey on a racist website and, voila, the outcome is that they want blacks exiled to Africa. Who would have guessed at such an outcome?

Actually, my question was, originally, whether or not you believed that blacks should be exiled to Africa.

>> It's a fact that you are MISREPRESENTING their data on the holocaust--they are not "denying the holocaust" at ALL. <<

Really? They call it the "holohoax." That's not denial?

>> Re-read it and tell us what they're ACTUALLY saying! <<

Okay.

From the website.

The Wandering jew--from 4 million to 30,000 dead jews

Actual Auschwitz records released by Russia reduce that figure to 30,000 jews

That sure like Holocaust denial to me.

	Why did "Judea declare war on Germany" in 1933.
	Why should "Holocaust denial" be a crime?
	Why are so many holocaust stories being exposed as frauds?
	Why was Ernst Z�ndel imprisoned for telling the TRUTH?
	Dr. E. R. Fields analyzes the known facts.
	Holocaust is a "death by fire".
	Torturing Rudolph Hoess to get at the "truth", jew style.
	The absurdity of the Zyklon-B claims.
	How to start a holocaust. That sure looks like garden variety Holocaust denial to me. But you claim there is no denial? How do you come to that conclusion?

My advice to you, Terry, is move to Saudi Arabia. I think you'd be much happier there.

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Well, it sure looks like I was wrong again. It appears that Washington, DC, is BACK--to being the nation's "Murder Capitol", which means the world's Murder Capitol:

Terry

http://fathersmanifesto.net/washingtondc.htm for the REST of the story!

DC IS AGAIN 'MURDER CAPITAL', NEW STUDY SHOWS

- District had Highest Big-City Murder Rate in 2002

- DC Murder Rate Soared as Other Cities Saw Decline

(Washington, DC) Washington, DC is once again the nation's 'Murder Capital," according to a new study released today.

The study, conducted by SafeStreetsDC.com (www.SafeStreetsDC.com), a public safety watchdog group, compared the annual number of murders per 100,000 residents in American cities with populations greater than 500,000. This was the same standard used to determine DC's previous rank as murder capital. In compiling the data, the group relied on homicide statistics from the FBI and police department homicide units from around the country.

According to the numbers, DC outranked all major cities, and is again the nation's "murder capital."

Immediately following DC on the list were Detroit (the winner in 2001), Baltimore, Memphis, Chicago and Philadelphia (in that order).

"My advice to you, Terry, is move to Saudi Arabia. I think you'd be much happier there."

What a loyal American you are, Rourke. If you don't like the way things are run in Washington [read: if you're embarassed that your nation's capitol is known worldwide for only ONE thing--being the Murder Capitol], then just move to Saudi Arabia.

Problem solved.

Now, back to Earth. Your inability to respond properly to that question proves that you DO know the answer. Your resorting to all kinds of handwaving and innuendos and slurs could only be the result of knowing that you're trapped. You KNOW that there's only ONE reason DC is the world's murder capitol, and it's NOT poverty [the richest blacks on the planet live in DC], it's NOT "discrimination" [unless you mean discrimination against Whites, which is what has been happening there since at least 1965], it's not "slavery"--most of the blacks aren't even descendants of blacks who were slaves, there haven't been any black slaves in that area for a century and a half, most slaves were Whites who didn't react this way, and most blacks were never slaves in the first place.

This leaves only ONE thing, doesn't it, Rourke? You have no more excuses, do you?

http://fathersmanifesto.net/washingtondc.htm

Terry

You seem to think you'd be safer in Saudi Arabia. Maybe it's time for you to emigrate to the Emirates.

Terry, I'm not the one complaining about D.C. I happen to like D.C. a lot. I have a child living there. I'm not scared when I'm there; she's not scared living there. You're the one whining and crying and pissing your pants, big man that you are. You're the one telling us that Saudi Arabia is so great. I suggested that YOU move there since you seem to think it's so wonderful. I'm perfectly happy here, thank you very much.

I see the white trash is still giving you nickles for advertising their website. Save 'em up Terry.

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I used to live there too, and I've lived in other far safer cities around the world, and I don't even need to know the statistics to know the difference. Our president bombed Iraq at a time when a resident of DC was 80 TIMES more likely to be murdered than a resident of Baghdad, AND according to the following figures from UN Crime Statistics based on an average population in Iraq of 20 million, that:

"An American citizen was 30 times more likely to be a victim of crime than a citizen of Iraq. Compared to an Iraqi, an American was twice as likely, and a resident of DC was 16 times as likely, to be murdered. An American was also 288 times as likely to be assaulted, 8 times as likely to be raped, 1,000 times as likely to be robbed, 455 times as likely to be a victim of theft, 44 times as likely to be a victim of fraud, and 286 times as likely to be a juvenile delinquent. Iraq reported zero drug use and drug dealing arrests compared to 650,000 in the US, and had no entry for bribery."

WHY was an American citizen in our nation's CAPITOL 16 TIMES more likely to be murdered than an Iraqi citizen, according to UN DATA, prior to all the war propaganda about how violent Saddam was? Can you answer that?

By comparison, Iraq is no war zone--WASHINGTON IS. Iraq is a cover story to keep the sheeple distracted from the REAL WAR, which is the one right here at home being waged by blacks against Whites.

WHY was an American woman in general EIGHT TIMES (8X) more likely to be RAPED than an Iraqi woman? HUH!! Is that irrelevant to you? Is that ok?

FOR WHAT REASON SHOULD AMERICAN CITIZENS PUT UP WITH ROBBERIES WHICH ARE A THOUSAND TIMES MORE PREVALENT THAN IN OH SO 'violent' Iraq? WHAT DO WE GET OUT OF CONDONING SUCH CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR? NOTHING!!

EXCEPT EVER MORE CRIME!

These are just the reported crimes. The police are now so busy that it's almost not worth reporting it any more. WHY SHOULD CIVILIZED PEOPLE PUT UP WITH SUCH INSANITY? The last time my house got robbed, the insurance company required that I get a police report. The way the affirmative action hiree police who finally showed up handled it wasn't even worth the effort of filing an insurance claim, and the next time I'm not even going to bother. How many people NO LONGER even file police reports?

WHY DO WE, A CIVILIZED NATION, HAVE MORE RAPES AND ROBBERIES THAN BASS ACKWARDS MOZAMBIQUE?

You know why, and you know what must be done about it http://blackexile.com

Terry

You really believe this s h i t? I mean -- really honestly believe it? That's just so completely sad and pitiful, you know that?

You go on to make quite a case for Iraq's safety. Maybe you'd like to move there?

WHY was an American woman in general EIGHT TIMES (8X) more likely to be RAPED than an Iraqi woman? HUH!! Is that irrelevant to you? Is that ok?<<

Well Terry, your white trash yahoo boys seem to think all women are lying about rape. You think your wacko christian white monkey website is so correct? Well then, according to them, those rape figures are just wrong, because women are just lying.

The last time my house got robbed, the insurance company required that I get a police report. The way the affirmative action hiree police who finally showed up handled it wasn't even worth the effort of filing an insurance claim, and the next time I'm not even going to bother. How many people NO LONGER even file police reports?<<<

I've never been robbed. Where the hell do you live? Maybe you should move to a better neighborhood.

WHY DO WE, A CIVILIZED NATION, HAVE MORE RAPES AND ROBBERIES THAN BASS ACKWARDS MOZAMBIQUE?<<<

You know Terry, there's so much wrong with that question I just had to laugh. First off, you're calling us a "civilized" nation at the same time you're saying every other nation in the world is more civilized than the U.S. According to what you've been saying, the U.S. would come in last in the list of civilized nations, behind Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

I'm also very amused that you said Mozambique is more civilized than the U.S. Doesn't do much for your anti-black rhetoric, does it? An African nation more civilized than a predominently white.

I guess you're realizing that white people kill more white people than Black people do.

WHY DO WE, A CIVILIZED NATION, HAVE MORE RAPES AND ROBBERIES THAN BASS ACKWARDS MOZAMBIQUE?<<<

You know Terry, there's so much wrong with that question I just had to laugh. First off, you're calling us a "civilized" nation at the same time you're saying every other nation in the world is more civilized than the U.S. According to what you've been saying, the U.S. would come in last in the list of civilized nations, behind Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

I'm also very amused that you said Mozambique is more civilized than the U.S. Doesn't do much for your anti-black rhetoric, does it? An African nation more civilized than a predominently white.

I guess you're realizing that white people kill more white people than Black people do.

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If Whites in this country actually DO commit murder at a rate MUCH ,MUCH higher than their genetic brethren in Ireland or Denmark or Norway, then WHY? The mere presence of BLACKS?

However, I don't believe this is true, as there are 3,916 blacks in North Dakota, and their presence there wasn't enough to raise ND's homicide rate much higher than 0.2 (although if these 3,916 blacks are between the age of 14-24 and commit homicide at the national average of 1 per 1,000 blacks, then they alone would have killed 3-4 people).

We're going to do some more important math, based on the assumption (which may be faulty) that the presence of blacks doesn't raise the homicide rate of Whites, but that the concentration of blacks causes an unusually large spate of genocide of their own kind, plus a significant spill over to other races.

When Washington's homicide rate was 80.6, it was not ALL blacks. It was "only" 80% blacks, 10% Hispanics, 5% Whites, and 5% Asians. So the actual homicide rate of the blacks themselves had to have been higher than 80.6.

0.5 x 5% + 0.5 x 5% + 30 x 10% + X x 80% = 80.6

2.5 + 2.5 + 3 + .8X = 80.6

.8X = 72.6

X = 90.75

So the ACTUAL homicide rate amongst blacks when they're concentrated together like they are in DC and Gary and Detroit and New Orleans is 90.7 (or at least this is what it was in DC).

BUT--let's look at New Orleans, whose homicide rate at 85.8 in 1994 was even HIGHER than DC, yet the percentage of blacks was only 62% (and 4% Hispanic, 2% Asian, and 38% White).

0.5 x 38% + 0.5 x 2% + 30 x 4% + X x 62% = 85.8

0.19 + 0.01 + 1.2 + .62X = 85.8

.62X = 84.4

X = 136.1

SO, in New Orleans, blacks actually committed homicide at a rate of 136.1, almost 50% greater than in DC, making DC blacks seem quite tame by comparison.

The $64,000 question is: for what reason do you believe blacks in New Orleans are 50% more violent than those in DC, who're 18 TIMES more violent than blacks in Mozambique, who're 10 TIMES more violent than Saudi Arabians, who're TWICE as violent as North Dakotans, who're TWICE as violent as Singaporeans?

Whites?

Inquiring minds need to know.

Terry

Whiny? By your standard, Terry, anyone who doesn't kiss your lily white ass is whiny. The rest of us see it as just calling a spade a spade, to turn a phrase.

So you can call a black a spade, and censor my posts when I do? Why the double standard?

>> [except I seriously doubt if people like you make up even a tenth of a percent of the US, much less the world] <<

Jews makes up 2% of the American population. So that would be about 20 times more Jews than you figured, obviously much to your discomfort.

You make the presumption that this was a reference only to jews, but it was a reference only to wiberals, who might be all jews, but are probably a teeny minority even of all jews. Do even a tenth of the jews you know agree with you? I doubt if even that many do.

>> since I was stationed there for a year, and since I do business there often enough that I own a house there, <<

Then you must be aware that the sort of Holocaust denial in which you engage routinely is against the law in Germany.

I'm aware of what the FACTS are, and I'm aware of what our "news" says, which are rarely the same, particularly about this one issue.

>> It's YOU who saw the ALMANACS which proved that 264 million CHRISTIANS are dead or missing from WWII, <<

So where'd they go? And who killed 'em? Other Christians?

Could it have been Hitler and 85% of his top Nazis who qualified for the "right of return" to "Israel"?

>> Nobody can gloss over the implications of 180,000 Whites being murdered by blacks in only 4 decades without having the most arrogant, racist, hardened black heart on the planet. <<

I'm aware that white people are the most put upon group in the country. Frankly, Terry, I don't know how you carry such a burden. It must be difficult even to climb out of bed in the morning.

It's getting easier and easier the closer we get to http://blackexile.com

Terry

Are you pathologically incapable of telling the truth, Terry? Is lying all you have to offer?

>> You make the presumption that this was a reference only to jews, but it was a reference only to wiberals, who might be all jews, but are probably a teeny minority even of all jews. Do even a tenth of the jews you know agree with you? <<

Given that more than two third of Jewish Americans vote Democratic, the answer is yes, obviously. Try to do the math, Terry, if that's not too much for your little, bigoted head.

>> I'm aware of what the FACTS are, and I'm aware of what our "news" says, which are rarely the same, particularly about this one issue. <<

Actually, you're just a low rent, garden variety Holocaust denier. Creeps like you are a dime a dozen. Fortunately, decent people don't pay much attention to the likes of you, which is probably why you spend so much time in Germany (searching for other like minded antisemites).

>> Could it have been Hitler and 85% of his top Nazis who qualified for the "right of return" to "Israel"? <<

Answer the question, Terry. Where did all those Christians go? And who killed 'em? Other Christians? Guys like yourself, perhaps? Supporters of Hitler and his apologists?

>>

It's getting easier and easier the closer we get to http://blackexile.com <<

You can dream, Terry, but you're not even close. In fact, Jews and blacks are you worst nightmare. And we know where you live. <s>