Gen 1:27 So God created this very man, Adam in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
HonkyCracker:
i want you to realizeHonkyCracker:
that the word "him"HonkyCracker:
is the same word 'ethHonkyCracker:
853
Gen 5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Welcome Msg: "... have blasphemed me, in that they ... make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your gillul ...", Ezekiel 20:27-31
http://members.fortunecity.com/christianparty/gillul.htm
HonkyCracker: im still up
HonkyCracker: yes
HonkyCracker: im a child of the night. my blood is hot...
HonkyCracker: i invited him
HonkyCracker: idol?
HonkyCracker: no
HonkyCracker: i havnt read the idol part
HonkyCracker: of willies study
whitestman: The Hebrew word gillul appears 48 times in the Holy Bible, 47 times as idols and 1 time as images. In addition, there are13 other Hebrew words and 6 Greek words which are translated into the English words idol and idolatry,
HonkyCracker: on other races
whitestman: evidence of a bias from translators who would presume that a word which means log would also be a figurative representation for idol.
HonkyCracker: log ?
HonkyCracker: oh
HonkyCracker: wood
HonkyCracker: yea
whitestman: A detailed analysis of the context of the word shows that gillul are able to miscegenate or commit adultery, that pictures of them were portrayed on the walls, that when they were destroyed they had carcasses, that they could be served rather than merely worshipped, that they were put away rather than merely destroyed,
HonkyCracker: an idol of wood, or stone
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HonkyCracker: log reminds me of tree
whitestman: that Israelites could defile themselves by a whoring after them, that they could be confounded, that they were able to transgress the law, that they could be borne, indicating that it a gillul is a person rather than an inanimate object like an idol.
HonkyCracker: is this from willies study
HonkyCracker: DogFowBeaTreIdo
HonkyCracker: he did
HonkyCracker: go here
HonkyCracker: www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/DogFowBeaTreIdo.html
HonkyCracker: do a text search for Idols
HonkyCracker: it was his second to last study
HonkyCracker: remember he was real happy about it
HonkyCracker: im sure he has all the instances of idol, that strongly suggest persons
whitestman: "Bel boweth down, Nebo stoopeth, their idols were upon the BEASTS, and upon the cattle: your carriages were heavy loaden; they are a burden to the weary BEAST." (Isaiah 46:1)
HonkyCracker: Nebo (God of knowledge)
HonkyCracker: Bel (the God of War)
HonkyCracker: yes bipedal
HonkyCracker: the angels had sex with monkeys
HonkyCracker: and made the other races
HonkyCracker: according to the number of the sons of god
HonkyCracker: were all the nations divided
HonkyCracker: haha of course i dont have that.
HonkyCracker: im just .. commenting on Deuteronomy 32:8
HonkyCracker: Deut 32:8
whitestman: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and beast after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. Gen 1:25
HonkyCracker: what translation is that.
HonkyCracker: cattle?
HonkyCracker: yea
HonkyCracker: yes...
HonkyCracker: thats what ive been saying all along John
HonkyCracker: that the Adam in Gen 1:27
HonkyCracker: could not have been other races
HonkyCracker: i tried to sho willie dat
HonkyCracker: he taught (like i used to be taught)
HonkyCracker: that the other races
HonkyCracker: are in gen 1:26-27
HonkyCracker: and the adam is Gen 2:7
HonkyCracker: the fact is
HonkyCracker: no non adamic man
HonkyCracker: is ever called "man" (adam)
HonkyCracker: the first example of this
HonkyCracker: is when Qayin was born
HonkyCracker: and havvah said
HonkyCracker: "i have gotten an eesh from YHVH"
HonkyCracker: 1:26.... let us make adamkind
HonkyCracker: 1:27 and so God made the man Adam... blah
HonkyCracker: yes
HonkyCracker: eesh
HonkyCracker: ish...
HonkyCracker: "male"
HonkyCracker: thats my point
HonkyCracker: ADAM men
HonkyCracker: and non adam men
HonkyCracker: non-adam men
HonkyCracker: are NEVER
HonkyCracker: called "adam"
HonkyCracker: in the hebrew
HonkyCracker: always "eesh"
HonkyCracker: or "enosh"
HonkyCracker: or "goyim"
HonkyCracker: ill explain this
HonkyCracker: eesha = woman/wife
HonkyCracker: eesh = husband, man (male)
HonkyCracker: obviously Qayin was
HonkyCracker: Qayin was supernatural
HonkyCracker: and a gibor
HonkyCracker: jesus called Qayin "satan"
HonkyCracker: because thats what he was
HonkyCracker: the first born son of satan
HonkyCracker: in his own image
HonkyCracker: thats WHY the bible expressly calls him
HonkyCracker: "eesh"
HonkyCracker: not "adham"
HonkyCracker: Genesis 4:1
HonkyCracker: "ish ith YHVh"
HonkyCracker: i have gotten an ish (male) from YHVH
HonkyCracker: no biggie
HonkyCracker: you know Revelation 13?
HonkyCracker: "it is the number of a man"
HonkyCracker: "and his number is 600 60 and 6"
HonkyCracker: Isaiah 14 ?
HonkyCracker: "is this the man, (o lucifer)"
HonkyCracker: seth is called
HonkyCracker: ADAM
HonkyCracker: in the image and likeness of ADAM
HonkyCracker: no non-adamic man
HonkyCracker: is called adam
HonkyCracker: Isa 14 is a perfect example
HonkyCracker: o lucifer, how art thou fallen blah blah
HonkyCracker: "is this the EESH that mad the kingdoms to shake?"
HonkyCracker: is this the "man"
HonkyCracker: its not Adam
HonkyCracker: there are 4 hebrew words for man
HonkyCracker: ok...........
HonkyCracker: and those are
HonkyCracker: Adham
HonkyCracker: Enosh
HonkyCracker: Gibor
HonkyCracker: Ish/Isha
HonkyCracker: ADham is racial
HonkyCracker: Ish/Isha is sexual
HonkyCracker: Gibor/Enosh is "mighty/weak"
HonkyCracker: thats why the "giants" were called Giborim
HonkyCracker: well its hard to
HonkyCracker: its VERY hard to
HonkyCracker: because
HonkyCracker: well
HonkyCracker: look at Gen 1:26
HonkyCracker: "let us make man"
HonkyCracker: that word in the hebrew is
HonkyCracker: 'adam
HonkyCracker: its PLURAL
HonkyCracker: it means adamkind
isme_2: Look at Gen 5:2
HonkyCracker: Gen 5:1-2 is an exact parallel of Gen 1:27
whitestman: Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth
HonkyCracker: its plural
HonkyCracker: its PLURAL
HonkyCracker: ok.. follow along
HonkyCracker: yes..
HonkyCracker: but then
HonkyCracker: post the next verse
HonkyCracker: 1:27
whitestman: Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
HonkyCracker: that says
HonkyCracker: "so God created THE MAN ADAM
HonkyCracker: the hebrew is
HonkyCracker: 'eth h-Adham
HonkyCracker: THE MAN ADAM
HonkyCracker: singular
HonkyCracker: yes Gen 1:27 was not translated correctly
HonkyCracker: .......... but John
HonkyCracker: usually it was...............
HonkyCracker: ok...
HonkyCracker: i can explain
HonkyCracker: exactly why theyt ranslated it wrong.
HonkyCracker: it should have been tranlated
HonkyCracker: either
HonkyCracker: "The man"
HonkyCracker: or Adam (with a capitol A)
HonkyCracker: because you have to make the distinction between adamkind (white people) and Adam the progenitor
HonkyCracker: and the hebrew does this with the hebrew particle 'eth and artical 'ha
HonkyCracker: both of which you WONT notice if you use a strongs
HonkyCracker: you have to look at the MSS
HonkyCracker: the only strongs that comse close is my own version
HonkyCracker: lol.
HonkyCracker: my strongs
HonkyCracker: shows the particle 'eth
HonkyCracker: but not the article, "the"
HonkyCracker: of COURSE it is
HonkyCracker: lol.
HonkyCracker: ok
HonkyCracker: do you have esword open?
HonkyCracker: ok
HonkyCracker: LOOK AT IT
HonkyCracker: go to Gen 1:27
HonkyCracker: and notice
HonkyCracker: it says
HonkyCracker: *(853)* Adam *120
HonkyCracker: see that?
whitestman: Gen 1:27 So God430 created1254 (853) man120 in his own image,6754 in the image6754 of
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HonkyCracker: 853 = "this same"
HonkyCracker: aka.. singular
HonkyCracker: its there.....
HonkyCracker: particle 'eth
HonkyCracker: it denotes singularity
HonkyCracker: emphasis on the individual
HonkyCracker: most modern bibles have it correctly
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HonkyCracker: most modern ones say
HonkyCracker: "the man"
HonkyCracker: or Adam
isme_2: Honk explain Gen 5:2
HonkyCracker: ok
HonkyCracker: in order to understand 5:2
HonkyCracker: wait...
HonkyCracker: lol.
HonkyCracker: you have to put it up with 5:1
whitestman: Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
HonkyCracker: or it wont make any sense
whitestman: Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
HonkyCracker: god created man, in the likness of God made he HIM, male and female THEM...
HonkyCracker: now please
HonkyCracker: read 1:27
isme_2: Mr and Mrs Adam
HonkyCracker: notice its the same language
HonkyCracker: yes
HonkyCracker: god created man, in the likness of God made he HIM, male and female THEM... (gen 5:1-2)
whitestman: Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
HonkyCracker: see?
HonkyCracker: same language
HonkyCracker: now let me explain it.
HonkyCracker: let me properly translate Gen 1:27
HonkyCracker: yes, dont marvel
HonkyCracker: or youll mis my point
whitestman: Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
HonkyCracker: yes, very important
HonkyCracker: the wind (like the spirit) doest know WHERE it came from
HonkyCracker: the issue
HonkyCracker: at hand is WHERE we came from
whitestman: Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
HonkyCracker: and jesus explains fully
whitestman: Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
HonkyCracker: yes and the next verses
HonkyCracker: are key to understanding it
whitestman: Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
HonkyCracker: WE SPEAK.... that which we know (we know we seen...
HonkyCracker: remember the wind knows NOT but i speak to you that which we know
whitestman: Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
HonkyCracker: we have witnessed it
HonkyCracker: we have seen it
HonkyCracker: its "earthly" that which im talkin about
HonkyCracker: yes
HonkyCracker: jesus is saying
HonkyCracker: "im talkin about earthly things,"
HonkyCracker: "nothing mystical"
HonkyCracker: "dont marvel"
HonkyCracker: im talkin about what you and i WITNESS every day
HonkyCracker: and SEE with our eyes and KNow (unlike the spirit which knows not where we CAME)
whitestman: Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
HonkyCracker: no man hase gone UP
HonkyCracker: but he whoe came DOWN
HonkyCracker: (born from above)
HonkyCracker: this is what you must understand
HonkyCracker: to be born from above
HonkyCracker: is the act of decent to the earth
HonkyCracker: and being born of a woman
whitestman: Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
HonkyCracker: ok
HonkyCracker: John 3:13
HonkyCracker: dont go any further
HonkyCracker: or youll confuse yerself lol.
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HonkyCracker: this is hwat jesus is talking about.
HonkyCracker: so think about it a moment youll understand.
HonkyCracker: DO NOT marvel at it
HonkyCracker: i speak of that which is "earthly"
HonkyCracker: we see it we witness it
HonkyCracker: we KNOW it (we dont know where we came from)
HonkyCracker: but you MUST be born from above
HonkyCracker: (of the womb)
HonkyCracker: this is what jesus is saying, nothing more
HonkyCracker: you must be born of WATER
HonkyCracker: and SPIRIT
HonkyCracker: and being "born from above"
HonkyCracker: we have 2 births
HonkyCracker: and 2 deaths
HonkyCracker: right...
HonkyCracker: the "second death"
HonkyCracker: is the death of the spirit
HonkyCracker: the "first death" is the death of the water/flesh
HonkyCracker: being "born of water
HonkyCracker: IS the act of "Descending"
HonkyCracker: or "born from ABOVE"
HonkyCracker: its that simple
HonkyCracker: read it over youll see
HonkyCracker: the wind (spirit) doest know or cant know where it came from
HonkyCracker: but what CAN we see and know
HonkyCracker: the act of birth
HonkyCracker: and im tellin you you must be born from above
HonkyCracker: into this flesh
HonkyCracker: if one can understand John 3
HonkyCracker: then Genesis 1
HonkyCracker: starts making sense lol.
HonkyCracker: well
HonkyCracker: do you realize
HonkyCracker: what jesus is saying here
HonkyCracker: "you must be born from above"
HonkyCracker: marvel not -- i speak of earthly thing -- we see and witness it -- we KNOW it (unlike the wind which knows not where it came) -- we know we came FROM our MOMMA and thats being "born from above"
HonkyCracker: dont worry about Genesis for a moment!
HonkyCracker: just understand what jesus is saying in Gen 3
HonkyCracker: Jjohn 3
HonkyCracker: yea
HonkyCracker: jesus is talking about being born of women
HonkyCracker: thats all he is saying
HonkyCracker: "EARTHLY"
HonkyCracker: so the point is
HonkyCracker: when God said
HonkyCracker: "let us make man"
HonkyCracker: that was the host of angels
HonkyCracker: agreeing to take on flesh bodies
HonkyCracker: born of women
HonkyCracker: unlike satan
HonkyCracker: and his fallen ones
HonkyCracker: who seduced women
HonkyCracker: jesus himself, is YHVH born of a woman
HonkyCracker: so are you and i born of women (from above)
HonkyCracker: so when its "let us make adamkind"
HonkyCracker: thats God making "man in the flesh"
HonkyCracker: remember in Genesis 6
HonkyCracker: god "repented"
HonkyCracker: that he made man in the flesh
HonkyCracker: thats what we are talking about
HonkyCracker: the angels, being born of women
HonkyCracker: and so when it says
HonkyCracker: "AND SO
HonkyCracker: God made the man Adam
HonkyCracker: its refering to the progenitor of the adamic race
HonkyCracker: its just carrying on the story
HonkyCracker: "let us make adamkind = lets make the concept of us in the flesh
HonkyCracker: and so god made adam (the first of many adamkind)
HonkyCracker: who is called "him" and "them"
HonkyCracker: because that was the Birth of "woman"
HonkyCracker: no such thing as women
HonkyCracker: up to this time
HonkyCracker: for angelic host
HonkyCracker: right this is exactly why
HonkyCracker: satan and his buddies took it upon themselves
HonkyCracker: to rape and marry these women
HonkyCracker: they were to prideful
HonkyCracker: to be born of them
HonkyCracker: into mortal existance
HonkyCracker: without the knowledge of the world that was
HonkyCracker: as is satan called "the tree of knowledge"
HonkyCracker: no its not a central theme
HonkyCracker: that eve was raped
HonkyCracker: the central theme ist hat we are born of women
HonkyCracker: lol.
HonkyCracker: ill tell you why
HonkyCracker: she was innocent
HonkyCracker: she was like a lil girl
HonkyCracker: and he was full of wisdom and knowledge
HonkyCracker: she didnt even know what her vagina was for
HonkyCracker: thats why its rape
HonkyCracker: i am speaking in modern english
HonkyCracker: ok well beguiled....
HonkyCracker: but no its not a "central theme"
HonkyCracker: its NOT a central theme
HonkyCracker: as you put it
HonkyCracker: did you miss what i said
HonkyCracker: the point is
HonkyCracker: yes plz read it
HonkyCracker: sure......................
HonkyCracker: lol.
HonkyCracker: her child was satan
HonkyCracker: the image and likeness of satan
HonkyCracker: thats what im saying
HonkyCracker: the angels didnt want to be BORN of woman
HonkyCracker: they wanted their image
HonkyCracker: to be translated from them by their seed
HonkyCracker: right like........ when god said "lets make man"
HonkyCracker: that was a new era
HonkyCracker: man = mortal man
HonkyCracker: adam = show blood in the face right?
HonkyCracker: angels dont have blood
HonkyCracker: they dont glow red
HonkyCracker: they glow WHITE
HonkyCracker: blood = mortal
HonkyCracker: not all the angels chose to be a part of this
kyCracker: and call it a person
HonkyCracker: its the same logic
HonkyCracker: the POINT is Genesis 3
HonkyCracker: is entirely metaphorical
HonkyCracker: and ephemistic
whitestman: Isa 19:13 The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, [even they that are] the stay of the tribes thereof.
whitestman: Jer 37:9 Thus saith the LORD; Deceive not yourselves, saying, The Chaldeans shall surely depart from us: for they shall not depart.
HonkyCracker: sexually deceived
HonkyCracker: oh please
HonkyCracker: common.
HonkyCracker: dont get hung up on one word :-O
HonkyCracker: ive not lost anyone who had their head on straight
HonkyCracker: i teach what the book clearly said
HonkyCracker: yes
HonkyCracker: and it says "Tree of knowledge" too
HonkyCracker: but we know thats satan
HonkyCracker: so dont use that
HonkyCracker: literalistic excuse
HonkyCracker: "deceived" meant rape
HonkyCracker: in this instance
HonkyCracker: yes i see whats drivin ye
HonkyCracker: im not a feminist
HonkyCracker: ish is not another "creation"
HonkyCracker: ok....
HonkyCracker: its NOT another "creation"
HonkyCracker: its just a generic word
HonkyCracker: used for both adam and non-adam
HonkyCracker: but "adam" is never used for non-adam
HonkyCracker: ish (male)
HonkyCracker: isha (female)
HonkyCracker: ish (husband)
HonkyCracker: isha (wife)
HonkyCracker: its sexual
HonkyCracker: "ish" is used
HonkyCracker: when the man isnt adamic
HonkyCracker: look at Genesis 6
HonkyCracker: when it says why Noah was saved
HonkyCracker: "he was a jush ish
HonkyCracker: "and perfect in his race (adamic)"
HonkyCracker: otherwise........ it would have been redundant
whitestman: Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
HonkyCracker: noah was a jush "ish"
HonkyCracker: and perfect in his race (adamic)
HonkyCracker: the point is, it would have been redundant
HonkyCracker: to say "just adam" and perfect in his race
whitestman: a just6662 man376
HonkyCracker: because thats what "adam" denotes
HonkyCracker: yes 376 (ish) not 120 (adam)
HonkyCracker: so as not to be REDUNDANT
HonkyCracker: just ish......... and adamic to boot
HonkyCracker: he was a good man (male) and also adamic
HonkyCracker: yehu alert
KJB_AV1611: lol
HonkyCracker: ok code yellow
HonkyCracker: i know
HonkyCracker: im obviously not explaining myself very well
HonkyCracker: ok my POINT
HonkyCracker: yes
KJB_AV1611: Jesus is a jew and you worship a Jew and the bible is written by jews lol you serve a risen jew
HonkyCracker: a just male (ish)
HonkyCracker: and ALSO perfect in his generation (adamic)
HonkyCracker: you see what im saying
HonkyCracker: it would have been redundant to say
HonkyCracker: "he was a just Adam and perfect in his generation"
HonkyCracker: it is
HonkyCracker: it is VERY different
HonkyCracker: yes he was
HonkyCracker: lol.
HonkyCracker: goodness sakes
HonkyCracker: i made it very clear
HonkyCracker: "ish/isha" is sexual
HonkyCracker: man/woman
HonkyCracker: adam is racial
HonkyCracker: an adamite ish
HonkyCracker: and then a non-adimte ish
HonkyCracker: it could have but its clearly being used
HonkyCracker: because he was not adamic
HonkyCracker: its just another reason
HonkyCracker: that we kno what we talkin about
HonkyCracker: cain could NOT have been "adam"
HonkyCracker: oh lordie
HonkyCracker: i got to put up with more of tihs lol.