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Like anybody else. If you wish to chat, use the chat room. If you wish to
make useful, well-thought-out contributions to the forum, then read what has
already been written, and think before writing.
Julian
-----Original Message-----
From: shaun [mailto:shaun@familieslink.co.uk]
Sent: 15 October 2004 12:49
To: euro-dads@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [euro-dads&mums] Re: Lesbian couple wins custody point
(Enquirer USA)
How can gays and lesbians be natural parents??
----- Original Message -----
From: "fried" <fried@aesops.force9.co.uk>
To: <euro-dads@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: [euro-dads&mums] Re: Lesbian couple wins custody point
(Enquirer USA)
>
> Again, you are making the point I made, but you obviously haven't read for
> understanding.
>
> Why not?
>
> I am defending the right of a child to be looked after by their natural
> parents. That may include lesbians and gays. I have now specifically
agreed
> with you, twice in previous emails, that children shouldn't be treated
> merely as toys to be bought and sold.
>
> Try reading what is written next time. You've obviously been spending too
> much time with judges ;-)).
>
> Julian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shaun [mailto:shaun@familieslink.co.uk]
> Sent: 15 October 2004 11:45
> To: euro-dads@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [euro-dads&mums] Re: Lesbian couple wins custody point
> (Enquirer USA)
>
>
>
> If you view the right of homosexuals to have children (other people's
> natural children) then you view children as nothing more than toys to be
> bought and sold. Gooides to entertain. I dont intend to say anything more
> than thefact thta i fiund it personally repulsive.
>
> You must protect the biological family and stop acting so PC - you've been
> brainwashed.
>
> Shaun
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fried" <fried@aesops.force9.co.uk>
> To: <euro-dads@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [euro-dads&mums] Re: Lesbian couple wins custody point
> (Enquirer USA)
>
>
> >
> > If they are infertile, they CAN'T have children. This isn't fairyland.
It
> is
> > the real world. Having children is a whole process, bonding with
children
> > also. It's real, it's not make believe. Breeding is what humans do to
> > animals and plants, or Nazis do to humans.
> >
> > In answer to Shaun's question - I find it a bit naive. There must have
> been
> > countless gay and lesbian parents down the ages. We could get into an
> > argument about how you define gay, lesbian, bisexual, heterosexual and
> > asexual, as well as all manner of other aspects of sexuality, but one
> simple
> > and fairly good test is behavioural. Political lesbianism or political
> > heterosexuality are to me more redolent of socialisation than sexuality.
> > Behaviourally, it is unwise to label a person, they might not "be"
what
> they
> > badge themselves as, when it comes to reproduction, or lust, and this is
> one
> > of the essential variables in sex and procreation.
> >
> > You still come back to what children need - and I see no evidence of
> > children not needing two real biological parents - they are in a sense
the
> > social glue or common denominator - the true test of our humanity.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Teri in Cali [mailto:allkdathrt@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: 15 October 2004 07:31
> > To: euro-dads@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [euro-dads&mums] Re: Lesbian couple wins custody point
> > (Enquirer USA)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Julian,
> > Are you saying that infertile couples should just accept it and not
> > have kids?
> > Teri
> >
> >
> > --- In euro-dads@yahoogroups.com,
"fried" <fried@a...> wrote:
> > > I agree with your statement immediately below. People have to deal
with
> > > reality. One can pity Frankenstein's Monster, but one should not
produce
> > > another one to keep him company.
> > >
> > > I fail to see that your statement immediately below accurately
> > reflects what
> > > you were saying previously.
> > >
> > > I'd also suggest that politics in this area has got to stop being
about
> > > nothing, and start being about something. The sperm you referred to
> > should
> > > not be used. I'm talking about changing our whole take on bringing
> > children
> > > into this world without a natural mother and father to bear and care
for
> > > them.
> > >
> > > You said words to the effect that children need all the loving care
> > they can
> > > get in this world. They don't have to come into this world at all, you
> > > know - they are not stuffed animals for their parents' gratification?
If
> > > they do, they should indeed be human children, with their OWN human
> > parents
> > > to look after them - as a sort of bare minimum. Their parents should
be
> > > legally entitled to defend them and to defend this birthright - the
> > State
> > > should uphold this. Gay and lesbian parents should uphold this.
Muslim,
> > > Christian and atheist parents should uphold this. I don't see
> > anybody who
> > > shouldn't.
> > >
> > >
> > > Julian
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