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Judy Hayner
Easily beguiled whore haynes whines:
<<<Your whole religion seems just an excuse to call people names,
sexual slurs, or racial slurs.>>>
You call WHITE men "white supremacists" just for standing up for
their OWN race, "racists" *simply* for wanting to associate only with
their own kind [a word you don't even use properly], "anti-semites" for
"denying the holocaust" or acknowledging that Jesus was NOT a jew
[another word you don't use properly], and now you have the chutzpah to
complain about whores being called whores and niggers being called
niggers?
Your two faced "religion" has been exposed for all to see! You have
no more right nor reason to sling slurs against White men by calling
them "white supremacists" than we have to call you whores whores.
<<<Wow! John Knight's ACTUALLY SAID: "A
loving God is anti-Christ."
(exact quote: Your "god loves
everyone" is not in ANY religion--it's straight from PAGANISM.
It is ANTI-Christ.)>>>
Your DENIAL of the Word of God, your DENIAL that God hates ESAU, is
PAGANISM, not a religion, and not Christianity.
IT IS A LIE TO CLAIM GOD DOES NOT HATE ESAU. You have no religion. You are
an anti-Christ:
Was not Esau Jacob's brother? says the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
but hated Esau; I made his mountains a waste, his heritage a desert for
jackals, Malachai 1:3
As it is written: "I loved Jacob but hated Esau," Romans 9:13
God HATES Esau. God HATES those who DENY His Word. This feminism that you
preach is NOT a religion. You HAVE no religion. You are a PAGAN. Your
feminazi god is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, it's the god He
told US to have nothing to do with:
I am the LORD your God, who brought
you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. "You shall have no other
gods before me."
John Knight
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: jews are not White!
Wow! John Knight's ACTUALLY SAID: "A loving God is anti-Christ."
(exact quote: Your "god loves everyone"
is not in ANY religion--it's straight from PAGANISM. It is
ANTI-Christ.)
From:
EVE DEMIAN <evedemian@verizon.net>
To: gary beauregard <beau@gcbussu.com>;
Eleanor Pickron <nora22000@yahoo.com>;
Trishool <lalhgehi@yahoo.com>;
Judy Hayner <edpals2@yahoo.com>;
Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteidentity.com>
Cc: Lev Zilbermintz <polyanker@gmail.com>;
virginiaf.raines <virginiaf.raines@gmail.com>;
PredatorBC@aol.com;
desertfoxi@cox.net;
majorhart@sbcglobal.net;
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com;
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bdaspit@rustyhardin.com;
bgelman@phila.k12.pa.us
Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 8:25:10 AM
Subject: Re: jews are not White!
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This specimen contradicts himself so thoroughly that
I imagine that his head must ping-pong from one side to
the other, as if someone were smacking him around, as he
writes!
Just take a look at what is written here; it is
unintelligible; he just *blathers*! This substitute,
Fake John Knight is even more *illogical* than the usual
one!!
Judy; pay no attention to this disgusting moron.
The way he talks to women is a disgrace to his own
mother.
The Christian Identity movement must be
sadly lacking in participants, if *this* is what they
have on board, in lieu of the "real" 'John Knight'!
--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteidentity.com>
wrote:
From: Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteidentity.com>
Subject: jews are not White!
To: "gary beauregard" <beau@gcbussu.com>,
"Eleanor Pickron" <nora22000@yahoo.com>,
"Trishool" <lalhgehi@yahoo.com>,
"Judy Hayner" <edpals2@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Lev Zilbermintz" <polyanker@gmail.com>,
"EVE DEMIAN" <evedemian@verizon.net>,
"virginiaf.raines" <virginiaf.raines@gmail.com>,
PredatorBC@aol.com,
desertfoxi@cox.net,
majorhart@sbcglobal.net,
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com,
Murray1833@aol.com,
randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net,
JoelRachmiel@aol.com,
jchorak7441@sbcglobal.net,
isaiah14@sbcglobal.net,
nikon99@hotmail.com,
vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, debunks@sbcglobal.net,
alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au,
alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk,
alexjamesnews2@gmail.com, Algae5636@aol.com,
ardeshir@mac.com, bbrabant@sault.com,
bdaspit@rustyhardin.com, bgelman@phila.k12.pa.us
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 8:59 AM
Easily beguiled whore
Haynes opined:
<<<I'm
sure there would be some other religion that
could be used to justify our hatreds.>>>
If you easily beguiled
whores and feminazis actually FOLLOWED or
UNDERSTOOD *any* religion, you actually could
never justify your pure white HATRED of racial
purity, particularly that of the White Race.
You HAVE no religion. You
have only feminaziism. And feminaziism is not a
religion, no matter how hard Sandra Day O'Connor
tried to convert it into one. There's not a
single verse in Scripture you easily beguiled
whores haven't rejected right here on this very
forum, so don't try to blame your hatred on any
religion.
Your "god loves everyone"
is not in ANY religion--it's straight from
PAGANISM. It is ANTI-Christ.
John Knight
Sent: Wednesday, February 03,
2010 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: Jewish Contributions
Intermingle with Arabic Contributions
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Labels are simply convenient hooks on
which to hang hateful thoughts and
deeds. Hatreds are not always
irrational. when applied to specific,
individual targetsm they may actually be
justified. Applying these hatreds to
groups becomes very problematic.
Bear
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Easily beguiled whore Haynes opined:
<<<I'm
sure there would be some other religion that could be used
to justify our hatreds.>>>
If you easily beguiled whores and feminazis
actually FOLLOWED or UNDERSTOOD *any* religion, you actually could
never justify your pure white HATRED of racial purity, particularly
that of the White Race.
You HAVE no religion. You have only
feminaziism. And
feminaziism is not a religion, no matter how hard Sandra Day
O'Connor tried to convert it into one. There's not a single verse
in Scripture you easily beguiled whores haven't rejected right here
on this very forum, so don't try to blame your hatred on any
religion.
Your "god loves everyone" is not in ANY
religion--it's straight from PAGANISM. It is ANTI-Christ.
Easily beguiled whore Haynes whiiiines:
<<<<Thanks to the incredible money to be
made by the very few at the top of the food chain, our own
country has been
inundated by workers from all over the world, creating a society
that is becoming more cosmopolitan and multi-cultural
than perhaps anywhere before on this earth.>>>>
Your lack of knowledge of Scripture is exceeded only by your lack of
knowledge of history, which is exceeded only by your lack of
knowledge of economics.
"muticulturalism" is as ancient as feminism.
BOTH the House of Israel, AND the House of Judah, became
"cosmopolitan", and BOTH collapsed INSTANTLY.
Ditto for BOTH the Roman Empire and the Greek Empire.
AND the Egyptian dynasties.
We ARE already a third world "cosmopolitan" nation, and YOU don't
even KNOW it, while PURE RACE countries like Japan, Korea, Germany,
and Norway are LIGHT YEARS ahead of us in EVERY way conceivable
(incomes, savings rates, crime rates, education spending, "health
care" spending, ad
infinitum.
PURE RACE Korea now has a HIGHER standard of living than us, PLUS a
37% Personal Savings rate [compared to our niggerized NEGATIVE
SAVINGS rate]. Korea is also in the process of IMPRISONING
feminazis, FIRING women teachers, and
exiling communists like you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Hayner
To: Jacob Israel ; Viva Veridad ; Jimmy Jumshade ; virginiaf.raines ;
carpbear@sbcglobal.net ; debunks@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: a necessary evil
You are seeing what you want to see there.
You are just making stuff up so you can call another woman a whore.
Your whole religion seems just an excuse to call people names, sexual slurs, or
racial slurs.
I'm guessing you get something out of it.
<<<
|
"God the son, God the father,
God the Holy ghost"..........is a bigger Fairy tale than Santa
Claus............... |
>>>
The fairy tale is the way the Catholic "church" teaches it.
In a year and a half in Russia I discovered that to Russians it means
literally the biological father, his biological son, and the Israelite
lineage from the day Jacob was born to the 10 seconds ago that the last
Israelite baby was born. 160 million Russian Orthodox do NOT agree with
this fairy tale no matter what the RCC says about it.
As much as Russians are so different from us legally, socially,
economically, etc., they are amazingly similar racially--actually,
identical. And they have some real horror stories to tell about the roll of
the RCC in ruining things for them and their allies which we need to
understand much better than I already understand about it.
In 1774, King George established it as the state religion for England, so in
1776 we tossed him out and it was UNITARIAN PROTESTANTS who founded this
nation, with only 1% Catholics present. Two short centuries later, we had
established the highest standard of living the world had ever known, and
former super power trinitarian England had to beg us unitarians to save
their sorry hides from the Germans. Judy's posts explain the problem
perfectly--Catholics are parasites who need the Protestant teat to suck off
just to survive.
It's not just that the trinity is the culture of death, but that it's a
slick way to introduce goddess worshiping into this "church" under the guise
of following Jesus. Is it even possible for them to know that if we
redirect on OUNCE of respect to "the virgin Mary", we take a TON of respect
from Jesus, PLUS we disobey a COMMANDMENT? Of course not:
Jesus saith unto him, I
am the
way, the
truth, and
the life:
no man cometh
unto the
Father, but
by me,
John 14:6
They cannot possibly grasp that there's absolutely no room in that
commandment to direct an OUNCE of respect away from Jesus, particularly not
to be directed to a woman who GOD HIMSELF said was tainted with whoredom.
When the whores of Jesus' time tried to turn Mary into a saint, it was Jesus
HIMSELF who set them straight, VERY fast:
"And when they saw
him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou
thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I
must be about my Father's business?"
-Luke 2:48 & 49
The question of course is, why
would Jesus, as a child, wander away from his earthly parents and reply to
their concerns only with "I must be about my Father's business"?
"While Jesus was
saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and
said to Him, Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which
You nursed.'But He said, On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the
word of God and observe it." -Luke 11:27 & 28, NASB
Now, here is an amazing
thing indeed. A woman essentially tells Jesus, "Blessed is Mary's womb and
body." But Jesus replies, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the
word of God and observe it."
The question then is,
if Jesus is God's Son and obviously so blessed, why would Mary not be more
blessed if she has parental authority as His mother? The answer is quite
clear:
Mary is not the real
mother of Jesus, since He existed before her. As Paul writes:
Colossians 1:16,
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in
earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him".
Jesus is the one who created
Mary. But Paul says more pertaining to Mary:
"That at the name of Jesus
every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and
things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus
Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." -Philippians 2:10 & 11
Obviously Mary fits this
category since it specifically names every area of creation, and thus will
bow her knee to Jesus and confess Him as Lord. You see, Catholics are sure
to be puzzled by the same question Jesus used to confound the Pharisees.
How many Americans don't understand this, and instead "believe in" the phony
baloney trinity? What percent of the population do you think they are, and
what makes them think they have a right to deny the rest of us our First
Amendment right to free exercise of religion?
271 million Americans CLAIM to be Christians, of which 58 million are
Catholics and 18 million are niggers. Of the 58 million Catholics, 30
million are illegal alien Indians from Mexico and South America who don't
deserve the time of day, fit in perfectly with this goddess worshiping
"church", and deserve to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck, goose stepped
to the border, and tossed across just as Eisenhower did. That leaves us
with perhaps 28 million "white" Catholics, with many of them being Spanish
or Italian who originally were a pure race but today are now mixed with
niggers, Moors, berbers, Arabs, jews, etc, and simply can't grasp the
concept of racial purity of His holy seed. IF these Catholics are
representative of the Catholics I know, THEN none of them buy into this
trinity paganism, but that is a BIG if. Let's give them the benefit of the
doubt, and estimate that this 180 SAT Point gap between Catholics and
Protestants results in 10 million of them being unable to read or grasp the
Word of God being STUPID enough to accept it carte blanche as bedunked,
viva, and jewdy have.
Are they Catholics? Even viva claims that if they do NOT accept the
trinity, then they cannot be Catholics. Most of the Catholics I know are so
incensed by what the faggot priests did that I cannot even repeat here what
it is that they would do to them if they had the chance. Are they
Catholics? Let's be generous and estimate that the RCC is off by only 50%
and that the real number of "white" Catholics in the US is 14 million.
WHERE, exactly, in the US Constitution, does it say that a
goddess-worshiping, disrespectful, blasphemous, whiney, pagan, abusive,
uneducated, ignorant, arrogant 4.6% of the American population gets to
dictate religious principles or beliefs to the other 95.4% of us? Do you
know where, Jimmy? Is it buried someplace deep in the pope's bible? Is it
written on the tip of his pecker so that only fellow faggots like Cardinal
Law can read it? Is it "written on their hearts", and we need to give them
heart operations to be able to read it?
Or do the 95.4% of us who REJECT it have the obligation, and the duty, and
the moral responsibility, and the legal and Constitutional right, to REJECT
them?
Federal statistics reveal that across the nation, from state to state,
there’s a huge difference in social pathology, with murder rates varying 6
fold, abortion rates varying 8 fold,
SAT scores varying 228 points, marriage
rates varying 72%, and divorce rates varying 21%.
The states with the highest percentage of Catholics (i.e., Rhode
Island with 59%, and Massachusetts with 43%) do very poorly in all these
areas, whereas the states with the least percentage of Catholics (i.e.,
North Dakota with 22%, Iowa with 17%, and Utah with 8%) are at the opposite
end of the spectrum.
Where you would expect Catholic states to have the
lowest
abortion rates because of opposition to
abortion by the Catholic Church, the abortion rates in ALL of these states
are the highest in the country, with the rate in New York (38% Catholic)
being 8 times higher than the rate in South Dakota (20% Catholic).
Where you would expect the marriage rate in Catholic states to be the
highest, their rates are actually the lowest, with non-Catholic states like
Utah (8.3% Catholics) having a marriage rate 73% higher than Catholic states
like New York. With the
putative Catholic opposition to divorce, you’d expect to see a clear and
distinct difference between states in this area, but relative to the low
marriage rates of the predominately Catholic states, there’s no such
distinction. As a percent of
the number of marriages, divorces in the most Catholic state Rhode Island
(with 59% Catholics) are on par with the least Catholic state Utah (with 8%
Catholics). And even here, Utah
wins because their marriage rate is 48% higher than Rhode Island anyway.
A real unexpected outcome of evaluating these
statistics is the much lower
murder rates in ALL the least Catholic
states relative to ALL the most Catholic states.
For decades now, the murder rates in non-Catholic states like
Vermont, Iowa, North Dakota, and South Dakota have been lower than 1 per
100,000 population, contrasted to rates greater than 5 in ALL these mainly
Catholic states. In 1994,
compared to North Dakota, the murder rate in New York was 55 TIMES higher,
in Rhode Island was 20 TIMES higher, and in Massachusetts was 17 TIMES
higher.
If the abortion rate of the entire nation were
equivalent to South Dakota, there would be 1,256,693 fewer abortions every
year. Conversely, if it were
equivalent to primarily Catholic New York, there would be 944,000 MORE.
If the marriage and divorce rates of the entire nation were
equivalent to that of Catholic free Tennessee, there would be 832,000 MORE
marriages and fewer divorces.
Conversely, if it were equivalent to a Catholic state like Massachusetts,
there would be 416 thousand FEWER marriages and the divorce rate would
INCREASE. If the murder rate in
the entire nation were equivalent to North Dakota in 1994, there would be
only 560 murders annually, a reduction of 25,520 murders.
Conversely, if it were equivalent to a Catholic state like New York,
there would be 6,090 MORE, and if it were equivalent to Catholic-influenced
Washington, DC, there would be 176,900 MORE.
If SAT scores for the entire nation were equivalent to
Iowa’s score of 1,221, we’d score the highest in the world on both
TIMSS
and
PISA. But if they
were equivalent to Rhode Island’s score of 993, we’d score between Israel
and Africa.
> From: "judyfuller007@aol.com"
> <judyfuller007@aol.com>
> To: debunks@sbcglobal.net;
viva@catlover.com;
> Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 8:22:17 AM
> Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
>
> Catholics are more quiet about their
> varying dogmas. I knew a priest back in the
> 60's who gave out special dispensations to women
> parishioners to use birth control. He had no
> authority to do that, but.....
> shhhhh! Now we have the American nuns
> defying the pope on his questionnaire about their life and
> teachings and they refuse to respond to all of the
> questions. hahahah. I love
> it. Women aren't what women used to
> be. Even nuns.
> This magnificent new speech by Jimmy
> Carter on this topic makes that
> point very well. Excerpts:
> It is ironic that women are now welcomed
> into all major professions and other positions of
> authority, but are branded as inferior and deprived of
> the equal right to serve God in positions of religious
> leadership. The plight of abused women is made more
> acceptable by the mandated subservience of women by
> religious leaders. The truth
> is that male religious leaders have had – and still
> have – an option to interpret holy teachings either to
> exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own
> selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter. Their
> continuing choice provides the foundation or justification
> for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women
> throughout the world. This is in clear violation not just
> of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but also the
> teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, Moses
> and the prophets, Muhammad, and founders of other great
> religions - all of whom have called for proper and
> equitable treatment of all the children of God. It is
> time we had the courage to challenge these views and set a
> new course that demands equal rights for women and men,
> girls and boys. At their
> most repugnant, the belief that women are inferior human
> beings in the eyes of God gives excuses to the brutal
> husband who beats his wife, the soldier who rapes a
> woman, the employer who has a lower pay scale for women
> employees, or parents who decide to abort a female embryo.
> It also costs many millions of girls and women control
> over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny
> them fair and equal access to education, health care,
> employment, and influence within their own
> communities In a message dated
Courgar, you make good points.
I do not think that anyone is denying the many other places on earth where
human beings have committed/are committing atrocities, but it is good to
keep that in mind in this discussion.
And we should remember the indigenous people in this country were
systematically exterminated.
It is likely that our patriotic myths of pleasant Pilgrims, turkeys and
Thanksgiving feasts with smiling Indians has allowed
many Americans to not even realize that actually happened on this continent.
It was premeditated, as brutal as
anything the Nazis ever did, and went on for hundreds of years. After the
killing was finally done, they were prohibited from following their own
religions and culture. Mind boggling. While I hope some individuals at the
time questioned this (although I've never read that anyone did), it seems to
have been just the "policy" ... institutionalized racism, with its resultant
brutality and murder.
Your point as to what "whites" did to indigenous peoples (in this country
and also wherever they went and conquered) and to imported peoples (slaves)
is extremely valid here.
Pls note: I have,
for the purposes of this note only, taken the liberty of putting back on
the list some whom have engaged in this greater discussion of the holocaust,
which you had removed from it. Those
names are at the
very end, just FYI, to make it easier for you to remove as you wish.
Some of this discussion of the holocaust is because an element on the list
is insisting that only "whites" (and apparently only white males) are
deserving of respect. This element reveals their disgust and disrespect for
everyone non "white" by calling them "muds" and "mamzers" and "niggers".
One of the groups that has been singled out for this disgust is the Jews.
So, while at the same time claiming to be proponents of the Bible, the old
Testament of which is shared with Judaism, this group has developed a
convoluted belief system that rejects anyone who follows the Jewish faith,
because they are not "white". They also reject conventional Christian
theology, in favor of the assertion that Jesus was a racist, as is God.
They define the "whites", with extra points for being German, as the true
"Israelites" . They use the Bible is to give credence to their belief in
their own inherent superiority.
It is obvious that this thinking leads directly to a facile ability to deny
the humanity in anyone else. Even without creating a religion to glorify
these errors of belief, it is all too easy for people to do this. It
happens all the time. But denying the humanity in others is what causes
events like the holocaust, all over the world.
Our WHITE forefathers' unquestioning belief in their inherent superiority
allowed them to exterminate the native population without a qualm. (Well,
not YOUR forefathers and mothers, Cougar, you lucky cat.)
My main point in all of this is that a basic respect for each other, no
matter our color or our nation of origin is about the only thing that that
might hold this world of ours together. Our mutual history is
one of endless war, one group killing another because we have not yet
learned how to respect each other.
AND, we must not forget that we are all capable of INDEPENDENT thought,
and that not EVERY SINGLE PERSON in any one GROUP, be it religious, racial,
or national group, necessarily THINKS OR BELIEVES in the exact same way.
THIS MUST BE UNDERSTOOD.
I normally say we must have respect for all "creeds", but some creeds
have elements that can be used to deny the humanity of others, and to
justify hatred and war and violence toward each other. This is
not limited to any one religion.
Your point on the actions of Israel is well taken, and while I have not
followed this situation with as much diligence
as I should have, I agree that actions taken by the Israeli government have
been unconscionable.
However, to disagree with the actions of a Government is not the same as
hating ever member of a religion or a self-identified
ethnic group. Not the same at all.
By this logic, Knight would have to hate HIMSELF for all the horrifying
things other white men have done in the name
of the United States.
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
Knight is offended that Viva asks Jumshade to respect God.
Jumshade said:
| Yes,
GOD screwed Mary & produced JESUS............... |
So, we must deduce Knight agrees with Jumshade.
Viva asked Jumshade
to be respectful of God, but Knight says that the only disrespect is by
VIVA!
I think we can see
how this religion is progressing.
Knight thinks that
Viva disrespects KNIGHT by asking Jumshade to respect God.
Knight has firmly
placed HIMSELF, a "white" man, above God when he says:
Why don't YOU try to "have a little respect" for WHITE men, for a change!!??
His rage is that
Viva is not bowing to KNIGHT!
The center of
Knight's religion is KNIGHT HIMSELF! NOT GOD, NOT JESUS.... JUST HIMSELF!
From: Jimmy Jumshade
<jimmybug@rocketmail.com>
Sent: Wed, December 16,
2009 12:19:18 AM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE
BROTHER OF JESUS
Counter-salute, Mr
Knight..............
--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Jacob Israel
<jk@israeliteknight.com> wrote:
From: Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteknight.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 9:44 PM
<<<Have a little
respect, at least in relation to God. >>>
Who in the heck are
you kidding? "respect".
You're a dod dam
goddess worshiping pagan claiming that Mary was
the "mother of god", a "perpetual virgin", never
sinned (Jesus said she dishonored Him), who
claims that God's commandments are "total
rubbish" (even AFTER you PROVED you understood
them), commanding the ONLY man on this forum who
seems to know TRUTHS about God and America, to
"have a little respect"??!!
Why don't YOU try to
"have a little respect" for WHITE men, for a
change!!??
If anybody wonders
why women are commanded to be silent in the
congregation (which happens right now to be the
national boundaries), this is a classic example
of WHY:
Let the woman learn in
silence with all subjection. But I suffer
not a woman to teach, nor to exercise
authority over the man, but to be in
silence. For Adam was first formed, then
Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the
woman being deceived was in the
transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be
saved in childbearing, if they continue in
faith and charity and holiness with
sobriety, 1 Timothy 2:11-15
John Knight
----- Original Message -----
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So your truth, that you agreed with, is that women should not be allowed to
speak? That is what JKnight said.
From: Jimmy Jumshade
<jimmybug@rocketmail.com>
To: judyfuller007@aol.com;
debunks@sbcglobal.net; viva@catlover.com; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com;
algae5636@aol.com; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca; Judy Hayner
<edpals2@yahoo.com>; Therese Dietliin <tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>
Cc:
carpbear@sbcglobal..net; jk@israeliteidentity.com;
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Sent: Thu, December 17,
2009 4:14:05 PM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE
BROTHER OF JESUS
Judy:
Certainly, my wife, girl-friends, daughters, nieces, aunts,
women friends completely agree with me. I am not scared of women
to speak the truth & my women are gutsy enough to accept the
truth.........and agree with me...........
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Therese Dietliin
<tdietlin@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Therese Dietliin <tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
To: "Jimmy Jumshade" <jimmybug@rocketmail.com>,
judyfuller007@aol.com, debunks@sbcglobal.net,
viva@catlover.com, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com,
algae5636@aol.com, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, "Judy Hayner"
<edpals2@yahoo.com>
Cc: carpbear@sbcglobal..net, jk@israeliteidentity.com,
majorhart@sbcglobal.net, blackexilenow@gmail.com,
nikon99@hotmail.com, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net,
JesusSearcher@aol.com, jmach499@verizon.net,
harleymanfl@cox.net, ANTGNE@aol.com, cactuscougar@msn..com,
ELLIAJT@aol.com, Hillbillytrailer@aol.com,
jgtea@comcast.net, JBoyle10@aol.com, konola@bresnan.net,
Lilbigy659@aol.com, Marckie13@live.com, Rockysma1@msn.com,
Sirguy2003@ameritech.net, whatnowgop@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:52 PM
How do you determine that this indivdual is a white
supremist? Or that he/she is even white or supreme?
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Judy Hayner < edpals2@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> From: Judy Hayner < edpals2@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
> To: "Jimmy Jumshade" < jimmybug@rocketmail.com>,
judyfuller007@aol.com,
debunks@sbcglobal.net,
viva@catlover.com,
tdietlin@sbcglobal.net,
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com,
algae5636@aol.com,
vivaveridad@yahoo.ca
> Cc: carpbear@sbcglobal.net,
jk@israeliteidentity.com,
majorhart@sbcglobal..net,
blackexilenow@gmail.com,
nikon99@hotmail.com,
isaiah14@sbcglobal.net,
JesusSearcher@aol.com,
jmach499@verizon.net,
harleymanfl@cox.net,
ANTGNE@aol.com,
cactuscougar@msn.com,
ELLIAJT@aol.com,
Hillbillytrailer@aol.com,
jgtea@comcast.net,
JBoyle10@aol.com,
konola@bresnan.net,
Lilbigy659@aol.com,
Marckie13@live.com,
Rockysma1@msn.com,
Sirguy2003@ameritech.net,
whatnowgop@yahoo.com
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:30 PM
> JUMSHADE: LOL! How
> does MRS. Jumshade like your viewpoint?
> Perhaps you should move to a part of the world
> that treats women with total disrespect..
> There are plenty to choose from, but since you
> are a WHITE supremacist, could tolerate marrying a
woman
> from a different race?
>
>
|
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
You persist in your self-righteiousness! The
dictionary is independent of my point of view. I just choose the words
that do the job I believe needs to be done. Anyway, you can blab all you
want in response to this, I am finished with the topic. It is clear you
are not open to rational discussion.
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
To: "Therese Dietliin" <tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>,
algae5636@aol.com,
viva@catlover.com,
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com,
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com,
debunks@sbcglobal.net
Cc:
carpbear@sbcglobal.net,
jk@israeliteidentity.com,
majorhart@sbcglobal.net,
blackexilenow@gmail.com,
nikon99@hotmail.com,
isaiah14@sbcglobal.net,
jimmybug@rocketmail.com,
JesusSearcher@aol.com,
edpals2@yahoo.com,
jmach499@verizon.net,
harleymanfl@cox.net,
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ELLIAJT@aol.com,
Hillbillytrailer@aol.com,
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Rockysma1@msn.com,
Sirguy2003@ameritech.net,
whatnowgop@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:25 PM
You would, since it supports you. LOL!
From:
Therese Dietliin <tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>
To:
algae5636@aol.com;
viva@catlover.com;
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JUDYFULLER007@aol.com;
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Sent:
Thu, December 17, 2009 5:36:41 PM
Subject:
Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
|
If even a dictionary definition doesn't
help, let's just drop it right there.
Thanks for the attempt, Al. I thought
you did a good job of it.
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Viva Veridad
<vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
To:
algae5636@aol.com,
tdietlin@sbcglobal.net,
viva@catlover.com,
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com,
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com,
debunks@sbcglobal.net
Cc: carpbear@sbcglobal.net,
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isaiah14@sbcglobal.net,
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Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 6:05
AM
Hang on, I maintain that
what I believe in
regarding my faith is
the truth.
Now, I am not imposing
that on anyone else.
You don't have to
believe it if you don't
want to. So where is
the arrogance?
I mean, I have to
contend with those of no
faith (Therese D) for
one, belittling my
faith, ridiculing it.
Am I not entitled to
defend my faith by
correcting her where she
is wrong? I'm not
imposing the truth on
her, I am merely
correcting her. She is
imposing her error on
me, if it comes to that.
And I do not believe in
her error.
It seems to me that when
one attempts to expound
on why one believes in a
certain way, that's
considered arrogance.
But it's okay for
non-Christians to use
snide remarks, be rude,
ridicule and belittle
the Bible, etc, AND
maintain that their
NON-BELIEF is the be all
and end all.
Bit of a double
standard, wouldn't you
say?
From:
"algae5636@aol.com"
<algae5636@aol.com>
To:
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tdietlin@sbcglobal.net;
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Sent: Thu,
December 17, 2009
12:52:43 AM
Subject: Re:
JAMES THE BROTHER OF
JESUS
Lol.
Viva, look again at
what you said:
"Well,
naturally, if
you believe your
faith is the
truth,
and the pagans
you encounter
believe
something alien
to the truth,"
That you believe it
to be the truth,
does not make what
the pagans believe
"alien to the
truth". It only
makes it alien to
what you believe. So
when you go on to
say:
"then it
stands to reason
that they don't
have the truth."
You have in effect
defined the truth as
limited to what you
believe, or, defined
anything you don't
believe as false.
I know it wasn't
your intent to be
arrogant, but in
precise English, you
arrogated the truth.
Regards,
Al J
ar·ro·gate ( r  -g t )
tr.v.
ar·ro·gat·ed,
ar·ro·gat·ing,
ar·ro·gates
1. To
take or
claim for
oneself
without
right;
to
appropriate:
Presidents
who have
arrogated
the power of
Congress to
declare war.
2. To
ascribe on
behalf of
another in
an
unwarranted
manner.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Viva Veridad
<vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
To: Therese Dietliin
<tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>;
algae5636@aol.com;
viva@catlover.com;
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com;
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com;
debunks@sbcglobal.net
Cc:
carpbear@sbcglobal.net;
jk@israeliteidentity.com;
majorhart@sbcglobal.net;
blackexilenow@gmail.com;
nikon99@hotmail.com;
isaiah14@sbcglobal.net;
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Sent: Wed, Dec 16,
2009 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: JAMES
THE BROTHER OF JESUS
Why is
it
arrogant?
If I
look up
at the
sky and
see that
it's
blue and
say,
"The sky
is
blue,"
is that
arrogant,
to state
a fact?
If I
believe
the
Catholic
religion
to be
the true
faith
founded
by Jesus
Christ,
then why
is it
arrogant
to say
so?
Obviously,
I am
Catholic
because
I
believe
in it.
From:
Therese
Dietliin
<tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>
To:
algae5636@aol.com;
viva@catlover.com;
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Veridad
<vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
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Sent:
Wed,
December
16,
2009
9:53:47
PM
Subject:
Re:
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
WHOSE
REASON?
This
is
one
of
the
most
arrogant
statements
I
have
read
or
encountered
in a
long
time.
---
On
Wed,
12/16/09,
Viva
Veridad
< vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>
From:
Viva
Veridad
< vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
>
Subject:
Re:
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
>
To:
algae5636@aol.com,
viva@catlover.com,
tdietlin@sbcglobal.net,
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com,
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com,
debunks@sbcglobal.net
>
Cc:
carpbear@sbcglobal.net,
jk@israeliteidentity.com,
majorhart@sbcglobal.net,
blackexilenow@gmail.com,
nikon99@hotmail.com,
isaiah14@sbcglobal.net,
jimmybug@rocketmail.com,
JesusSearcher@aol.com,
edpals2@yahoo.com,
jmach499@verizon.net,
harleymanfl@cox.net,
ANTGNE@aol.com,
cactuscougar@msn.com,
ELLIAJT@aol.com,
Hillbillytrailer@aol.com,
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JBoyle10@aol.com,
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Lilbigy659@aol.com,
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Rockysma1@msn.com,
Sirguy2003@ameritech.net,
whatnowgop@yahoo.com
>
Date:
Wednesday,
December
16,
2009,
3:51
PM
>
Well,
naturally,
if
you
believe
>
your
faith
is
the
truth,
and
the
pagans
you
encounter
>
believe
something
alien
to
the
truth,
then
it
stands
to
>
reason
that
they
don't
have
the
truth.
>
>
From:
> " algae5636@aol.com"
< algae5636@aol.com>
>
To:
>
viva@catlover.com;
tdietlin@sbcglobal.net;
>
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com;
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com;
>
vivaveridad@yahoo.ca;
debunks@sbcglobal.net
>
Cc:
>
carpbear@sbcglobal.net;
jk@israeliteidentity.com;
>
majorhart@sbcglobal.net;
blackexilenow@gmail.com;
>
nikon99@hotmail.com;
isaiah14@sbcglobal.net;
>
jimmybug@rocketmail.com;
JesusSearcher@aol.com;
>
edpals2@yahoo.com;
jmach499@verizon.net;
>
harleymanfl@cox.net;
ANTGNE@aol.com;
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>
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Hillbillytrailer@aol.com;
>
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>
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Rockysma1@msn.com;
>
Sirguy2003@ameritech.net;
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>
Sent:
Wed,
>
December
16,
2009
6:08:57
PM
>
Subject:
Re:
>
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
>
>
>
Lol.
>
>
>
>
>
They,
>
bringing
the
truth,
could
not
expect
the
pagans
to
just
give
> up
their
pagan
ways
overnight.
>
>
And
>
since
they
were
bringing
the
truth,
they
just
naturally
>
assumed
the
pagans
didn't
have
any
until
they
got
>
there.
>
>
And
that's
how
they
showed
the
pagans
it's
true
you
>
can
be
naive
and
condescending
at
the
same
time.
>
>
:-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
-----Original
>
Message-----
>
>
From:
viva@catlover.com
>
>
Sent:
Wed,
Dec
16,
2009
2:15
pm
>
>
Subject:
Re:
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
When
missionaries
>
went
forth,
obeying
Jesus'
words
to
preach
to
all,
they
>
came
upon
pagans,
naturally
enough.
So
what
did
you
>
expect
them
to
do?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
They,
bringing
the
truth,
could
not
expect
the
pagans
> to
just
give
up
their
pagan
ways
overnight.
They
had
> to
allow
the
potential
converts
to
slowly
come
to
the
>
knowledge
of
the
truth
and
it
was
only
good
manners
and
>
consideration
for
them,
and
a
bit
of
respect
thrown
in,
that
>
the
decision
was
made
to
allow
them
to
keep
some
of
their
>
practices,
temporarily.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Pagan
feast
days
had
hitherto
been
enjoyed
by
the
>
pagans,
so
let
them
have
their
days,
and
if
they
coincided
>
with
important
Christian
feast
days,
then
so
much
the
>
better.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
it's
really
quite
simple.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The
missionaries
were
men
of
God.
They
were
not
>
military
strategists.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
-----Original
>
Message-----
>
>
>
From:
Therese
Dietliin
< tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>
To:
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com;
>
viva@catlover.com;
>
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com;
>
vivaveridad@yahoo.ca;
>
algae5636@aol.com;
>
debunks
< debunks@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>
Cc:
carpbear@sbcglobal.net;
>
jk@israeliteidentity.com;
>
majorhart@sbcglobal.net;
>
blackexilenow@gmail.com;
>
nikon99@hotmail.com;
>
isaiah14@sbcglobal.net;
>
jimmybug@rocketmail.com;
>
JesusSearcher@aol.com;
>
edpals2@yahoo.com;
>
jmach499@verizon.net;
>
harleymanfl@cox.net;
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
Sirguy2003@ameritech.net;
>
whatnowgop@yahoo.com
>
>
>
Sent:
Wed,
Dec
16,
2009
4:16
pm
>
>
>
Subject:
Re:
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Why
not?
Christians
-
>
particularly
Catholics
hellbent
on
conversion
-
>
>
incorporated
pagan
mythology
and
thus
coopted
pagan
gods
>
and
goddesses
just
>
>
about
everywhere
they
went
on
the
planet.
Who's
to
say
>
they
didn't
adopt
and
>
>
adapt
just
to
get
the
show
started?
>
>
>
|
|
|
If even a dictionary definition doesn't
help, let's just drop it right there.
Thanks for the attempt, Al. I thought
you did a good job of it.
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Viva Veridad
<vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
To:
algae5636@aol.com,
tdietlin@sbcglobal.net,
viva@catlover.com,
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com,
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com,
debunks@sbcglobal.net
Cc: carpbear@sbcglobal.net,
jk@israeliteidentity.com,
majorhart@sbcglobal.net,
blackexilenow@gmail.com,
nikon99@hotmail.com,
isaiah14@sbcglobal.net,
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Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 6:05
AM
Hang on, I maintain that
what I believe in
regarding my faith is
the truth.
Now, I am not imposing
that on anyone else.
You don't have to
believe it if you don't
want to. So where is
the arrogance?
I mean, I have to
contend with those of no
faith (Therese D) for
one, belittling my
faith, ridiculing it.
Am I not entitled to
defend my faith by
correcting her where she
is wrong? I'm not
imposing the truth on
her, I am merely
correcting her. She is
imposing her error on
me, if it comes to that.
And I do not believe in
her error.
It seems to me that when
one attempts to expound
on why one believes in a
certain way, that's
considered arrogance.
But it's okay for
non-Christians to use
snide remarks, be rude,
ridicule and belittle
the Bible, etc, AND
maintain that their
NON-BELIEF is the be all
and end all.
Bit of a double
standard, wouldn't you
say?
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Sent: Thu,
December 17, 2009
12:52:43 AM
Subject: Re:
JAMES THE BROTHER OF
JESUS
Lol.
Viva, look again at
what you said:
"Well,
naturally, if
you believe your
faith is the
truth,
and the pagans
you encounter
believe
something alien
to the truth,"
That you believe it
to be the truth,
does not make what
the pagans believe
"alien to the
truth". It only
makes it alien to
what you believe. So
when you go on to
say:
"then it
stands to reason
that they don't
have the truth."
You have in effect
defined the truth as
limited to what you
believe, or, defined
anything you don't
believe as false.
I know it wasn't
your intent to be
arrogant, but in
precise English, you
arrogated the truth.
Regards,
Al J
ar·ro·gate (r-gt)
tr.v.
ar·ro·gat·ed,
ar·ro·gat·ing,
ar·ro·gates
1. To
take or
claim for
oneself
without
right;
to
appropriate:
Presidents
who have
arrogated
the power of
Congress to
declare war.
2. To
ascribe on
behalf of
another in
an
unwarranted
manner.
-----Original
Message-----
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Sent: Wed, Dec 16,
2009 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: JAMES
THE BROTHER OF JESUS
Why is
it
arrogant?
If I
look up
at the
sky and
see that
it's
blue and
say,
"The sky
is
blue,"
is that
arrogant,
to state
a fact?
If I
believe
the
Catholic
religion
to be
the true
faith
founded
by Jesus
Christ,
then why
is it
arrogant
to say
so?
Obviously,
I am
Catholic
because
I
believe
in it.
From:
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Dietliin
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Sent:
Wed,
December
16,
2009
9:53:47
PM
Subject:
Re:
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
WHOSE
REASON?
This
is
one
of
the
most
arrogant
statements
I
have
read
or
encountered
in a
long
time.
---
On
Wed,
12/16/09,
Viva
Veridad
< vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>
From:
Viva
Veridad
< vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
>
Subject:
Re:
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
>
To:
algae5636@aol.com,
viva@catlover.com,
tdietlin@sbcglobal.net,
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com,
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com,
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>
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>
Date:
Wednesday,
December
16,
2009,
3:51
PM
>
Well,
naturally,
if
you
believe
>
your
faith
is
the
truth,
and
the
pagans
you
encounter
>
believe
something
alien
to
the
truth,
then
it
stands
to
>
reason
that
they
don't
have
the
truth.
>
>
From:
> " algae5636@aol.com"
< algae5636@aol.com>
>
To:
>
viva@catlover.com;
tdietlin@sbcglobal.net;
>
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JUDYFULLER007@aol.com;
>
vivaveridad@yahoo.ca;
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>
Cc:
>
carpbear@sbcglobal.net;
jk@israeliteidentity.com;
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
Sent:
Wed,
>
December
16,
2009
6:08:57
PM
>
Subject:
Re:
>
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
>
>
>
Lol.
>
>
>
>
>
They,
>
bringing
the
truth,
could
not
expect
the
pagans
to
just
give
> up
their
pagan
ways
overnight.
>
>
And
>
since
they
were
bringing
the
truth,
they
just
naturally
>
assumed
the
pagans
didn't
have
any
until
they
got
>
there.
>
>
And
that's
how
they
showed
the
pagans
it's
true
you
>
can
be
naive
and
condescending
at
the
same
time.
>
>
:-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
-----Original
>
Message-----
>
>
From:
viva@catlover.com
>
>
Sent:
Wed,
Dec
16,
2009
2:15
pm
>
>
Subject:
Re:
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
When
missionaries
>
went
forth,
obeying
Jesus'
words
to
preach
to
all,
they
>
came
upon
pagans,
naturally
enough.
So
what
did
you
>
expect
them
to
do?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
They,
bringing
the
truth,
could
not
expect
the
pagans
> to
just
give
up
their
pagan
ways
overnight.
They
had
> to
allow
the
potential
converts
to
slowly
come
to
the
>
knowledge
of
the
truth
and
it
was
only
good
manners
and
>
consideration
for
them,
and
a
bit
of
respect
thrown
in,
that
>
the
decision
was
made
to
allow
them
to
keep
some
of
their
>
practices,
temporarily.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Pagan
feast
days
had
hitherto
been
enjoyed
by
the
>
pagans,
so
let
them
have
their
days,
and
if
they
coincided
>
with
important
Christian
feast
days,
then
so
much
the
>
better.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
it's
really
quite
simple.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The
missionaries
were
men
of
God.
They
were
not
>
military
strategists.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
-----Original
>
Message-----
>
>
>
From:
Therese
Dietliin
< tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>
To:
virginiaf.raines@gmail.com;
>
viva@catlover.com;
>
JUDYFULLER007@aol.com;
>
vivaveridad@yahoo.ca;
>
algae5636@aol.com;
>
debunks
< debunks@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>
Cc:
carpbear@sbcglobal.net;
>
jk@israeliteidentity.com;
>
majorhart@sbcglobal.net;
>
blackexilenow@gmail.com;
>
nikon99@hotmail.com;
>
isaiah14@sbcglobal.net;
>
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>
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>
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>
jmach499@verizon.net;
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
Sent:
Wed,
Dec
16,
2009
4:16
pm
>
>
>
Subject:
Re:
JAMES
THE
BROTHER
OF
JESUS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Why
not?
Christians
-
>
particularly
Catholics
hellbent
on
conversion
-
>
>
incorporated
pagan
mythology
and
thus
coopted
pagan
gods
>
and
goddesses
just
>
>
about
everywhere
they
went
on
the
planet.
Who's
to
say
>
they
didn't
adopt
and
>
>
adapt
just
to
get
the
show
started?
>
>
>
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