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Michael Moore on Mooreon-onomics
"health care", anti-gun, NUT Michael Moore Michael Fats Moore
It's been a while since I've taken (no, wasted) the time to attempt to educate this uneducable in Economics 101, but his recent complete failure to come to grips with the colossal failure of his socialist policies on the Larry King Live Show when we the people rose up and tossed out obamacare deserves further scrutiny.
Both you and Larry King are SO FAR OUT OF TOUCH with reality that you deserve no more electrons!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6703482849079349175 Michael Moore wants US, who ALREADY subsidize TWO competing health care systems [the free enterprise one and the government one], which ALREADY consume 12% of GDP [four TIMES what most people in the world spend for "health care", even those like Japan and Australia where the average life expectancy is ALREADY four years longer] to pay $60,000 to reattach another person's social fingertip just because HE cut it off, just because HE didn't have the money, just because HE won't borrow the money to pay for it, just because HE preferred to live without the fingertip? Here's a flip of my social fingertip to you, Michael! You ask in your "movie": "how did we get to the point where we deny medical care to people that will kill them"? The ANSWER is in your OWN film--THE CREATION OF YET ONE MORE FAILED FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY!!!!! But now you want even MORE government SPENDING?????
.uck you
Not just .uck you, BUTT .UCK YOU!
If your "health care" dream comes true, I'm going to spend $60,000 of taxpayer's money to EXTEND my social finger by two inches so I can REALLY flip you the bird!!
I have seen the finest of 'SOCIALIZED MEDICINE", it's in RUSSIA, and if this is what you want, this is what you DESERVE--go there and get it, and leave US alone.
Anti-gun nut Michael Moore
Have you ever wondered what you're going to do about the most despicable American "citizen", the one who can't comprehend the wording or functionality or purpose of the Second Amendment, who instead runs around the countryside demanding that even more UN-constitutional "gun control laws" be added to our already existing 22,000 ineffective, unconstitutional, expensive, counterintuitive, fascist "gun control laws? Well, cheer up, because the cavalry might be on its way. They just knocked on Michael Moore's door--the MORON who gleefully bragged "people around the country [are] trying to get stores in their towns to ban the sale of bullets". Flagrantly violating the spirit and intent of the US Constitution, whether it be guns or bullets, with nary a regard for the proper ratification process, is criminal stupidity, not just a "matter of opinion". People who think they're American citizens, but who haven't taken the time to even understand that he would be speaking Japanese now if it weren't for the Second Amendment, deserve such a knock on the door. Savor the moment. Is it at all possible that ALL "liberals" will be visited by the Secret Service? It's true that this might not be why they knocked on his door--but it's also true that it might be. What a wonderful thought!
Rape By Our Democracy
November 27, 2002
Michael Moore's Utopian Nightmare
Written by Jeff
Holder
(Saturday, 26
September 2009
11:33)
By Dr. Ted Baehr and Dr. Tom Snyder If only he would use his talent for goodness instead of evil! That is a paraphrased comic statement that Secret Agent Maxwell Smart often used to describe some of the super-villains he faced on the TV spy show GET SMART in the 1960s. The same statement may be applied to Michael Moore, the filmmaking darling of the Left who has made another polemical documentary, CAPITALISM: A LOVE STORY, this time calling for the replacement of America's capitalist system with a socialist system, including, of course, pro-communist proposals to share all wealth or profits equally. A talented filmmaker, Moore begins his latest movie by discussing the post-war economic boom in the United States in the 1950s and early 60s. After showing the consumerism that captivated many Americans during those times, and the riches that came to the leaders of industry and the wealthy bankers and brokers on Wall Street, he cuts to a shot of President Jimmy Carter during the late 1970s sadly complaining about the "greed" and "materialism" of America. Then, in a mocking tone, Moore says Ronald Reagan came riding into the White House, but that Reagan and his Treasury Secretary, Donald Reagan, formerly of Merrill Lynch, designed policies that hurt blue collar workers and encouraged Americans to borrow too much money so they could buy homes and modern luxuries, while the "fatcats" on Wall Street got richer and richer. Interspersed within this somewhat biased history lesson, Moore describes the economic "meltdown" that occurred last year. While putting all the blame on bankers, mortgage lenders and financial institutions who, he says, corrupt the politicians in Washington, Moore visits several families and workers harmed by the economic collapse. Included among these scenes are people whose mortgages have been foreclosed, a family that is defiantly still living in its foreclosed home, and workers in Chicago who took action when their company suddenly went bankrupt and refused to pay the workers what it apparently still owed them. Finally, the movie promotes a socialist vision with a Communist polemic advocating sharing the wealth equally. During these scenes, Moore, several Catholic priests and a Catholic bishop cite Jesus Christ's concern for the poor and needy as inspiration, while declaring unequivocally that capitalism is clearly evil and unbiblical. Moore also cites for inspiration President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's speech calling for a "second bill of rights," including the right to adequate healthcare, an adequate and fulfilling job, a full retirement plan, a home, and, if you own a business, a fair price for your goods and services. The best, most coherent and perhaps most truthful part of the movie is Moore's attack on the government bailouts for Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs, Citicorp, the Bank of America, AIG, etc. He correctly notes that these bailouts don't seem to have done much of anything for the people who have lost their jobs and their homes. Furthermore, he clearly shows that the government doesn't have a clue where exactly the money went. Moreover, he shows that members of Congress are in on this and other alleged Wall Street con games, including Democratic Senator Chris Dodd of Connecticut. Of course, President Obama also seems to be fully involved in these allegedly corrupt schemes, but Moore lets the President off the hook because he apparently loves Obama soaring, but phony leftist rhetoric of radical "Hope and Change." The rest of Moore's movie, however, presents a very strong, somewhat mixed pagan worldview with very strong politically correct, leftist ideology. Although Moore includes overt, positive references to Jesus Christ and the Bible, including the crucifixion, he uses these references to promote his radical, anti-capitalist, pro-socialist, and even Communist socio-political philosophy. It's all extremely polemical and one-sided in a deceitful way that will fool many gullible people, especially many young people. The good news is that one older liberal/leftist journalist at the screening attended by MOVIEGUIDE� admitted that he didn't think Moore proved his point either, mainly because the movie is so one-sided. He said Moore would have done a better job if he had included, in some way, a bit of give-and-take between himself and some experts or other people who actually believe in capitalism and who are opposed to Moore's radical socialist utopia. To help inform and equip the public, here are some of the problems that MOVIEGUIDE� found in watching Michael Moore's CAPITALISM: A LOVE STORY. Problems with Michael Moore's new movie: 1) Michael Moore's presentation in CAPITALISM: A LOVE STORY is one sided and unduly biased because it never provides a chance for his opponents to make their own case. Thus, he never interviews economists, much less any renowned conservative or libertarian economists, who support a capitalist system. Nor does he interview Christians or Christian capitalists who disagree with the Social Gospel of Liberation Theology and the Liberation Theologians and anti-capitalist, pro-socialist Catholic theologians Moore interviews. In a court of law, both sides get to present their case completely before the jury begins its deliberations. That is not the case with every movie, especially the movies that Michael Moore has made, including this one. 2) Thus, the movie is also guilty of special pleading - it only cites facts, arguments and opinions that agree with Moore's political ideology, economic views and theology. 3) The anti-capitalist, pro-socialist Catholic priests and bishop Moore interviews repeatedly tell him that capitalism is evil and must be eliminated. They and Moore himself refer to statements Jesus Christ made about taking care of the poor and needy. They also refer to the incident of the rich young man in Matthew 19:16-30, who Jesus advises in Verse 21, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Of course, neither Michael Moore nor these Catholic officials mention that last sentence about following Jesus Christ. Furthermore, nowhere in this passage does Jesus turn to a government official armed or unarmed and say, "Take this man's possessions, sell them all and give all the money to the poor." Nor do Jesus and His disciples in this passage (or anywhere else in the New Testament documents for that matter) promote a welfare state run by governments. In fact, in most of the English translations of this passage, Jesus never actually tells the rich man to give away every single cent from the sale to the poor and needy (presumably, the rich young man was allowed to keep some of the money of the sale to pay for his personal food, clothing and shelter while he and the other disciples followed Jesus). Also, it is possible that a rich man might have poor and needy family members, so may not such family members be included in Jesus Christ's admonition to give money to the poor? Finally, even though the rich young man walks away sad because he liked his wealth and Jesus tells his disciples, "It is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven," Jesus does not tell them that it is impossible. In fact, he actually says in Verse 26, "With God all things are possible." Thus, it may be extremely hard for a rich man to enter heaven, but it is not impossible, especially if you follow God through Jesus Christ. 4) The movie assumes that all the Wall Street companies, millionaires and billionaires that the movie attacks never give away any of their personal or company profits to charity or church (their own churches or other churches and synagogues) and never use their personal profit to support members of their family who may be poor, or much less wealthy. 5) The movie also assumes that the profits of banks or financial investment firms are never used to loan money to other kinds of businesses, either new ones or old ones. 6) Moore slams the wealthiest top one percent Americans for being greedy and having too much wealth compared to the other 99 percent or the bottom 95 percent, but he doesn't mention that, according to the most recent figures from the Internal Revenue Service reported by THE NEW YORK TIMES on July 30, 2009, the top one percent of the wealthiest Americans paid 40.42 percent of the total federal income taxes in 2007, while the bottom 95% paid only about 39 percent and the poorest Americans paid very little or nothing.1 Of course, to be fair, the wealthiest people in the United States, before the recent economic meltdown, saw their income grow much greater than the people toward the bottom, but also, many wealthy people working on Wall Street have lost billions or millions of dollars in the current recession. Even so, this argument about whether the federal tax system is fair has nothing to do with questions regarding government-run welfare and education programs, such as, Are these programs worthwhile and moral in the first place? 7) At the end of the movie, Michael Moore overtly advocates the elimination of the capitalist system, but his movie only implies that he would replace capitalism with Big Government socialist programs and business cooperatives where each worker has an equal share of the profits, but it is short on the details. For example, he doesn't really say how the socialist programs would work, where the money would come from, or how the government would set prices for the healthcare services and houses the government would provide, or the wages and benefits that are handed out. 8) He shows President Franklin D. Roosevelt's speech advocating a second bill of rights declaring that each citizen has the right to such things as adequate housing, an adequate job with a decent standard of living, proper healthcare (presumably through a government-run national healthcare system), and adequate provision for one's retirement, but, again, no details are offered as to how all this could and would be achieved. 9) Though he notes that the public was generally opposed to the bailouts of the big banks, mortgage companies and financial institutions, Moore fails to note that Republican, conservative and libertarian voters were among the most vocal ones opposing the bailouts. 10) Although one of Moore's interview subjects notes that current Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was the Federal Reserve official in New York whose incompetence is primarily responsible for the sudden financial meltdown on Wall Street, Moore lets President Obama off the hook for appointing Geithner because Moore thinks Obama supports Moore's anti-capitalist, socialist ideology in some way. 11) Although Moore lambastes Goldman Sachs for its allegedly corrupt influence in Washington D.C., he again lets Obama off the hook, even though Obama has appointed former Goldman Sachs officials as part of his economic team! 12) Although Moore blasts Wall Street banks, financial institutions and mortgage companies like Citicorp, Merrill Lynch, AIG, and Bank of America, and attacks the bailouts they received, he again lets President Obama off the hook for supporting bailouts. 13) Moore fails to note that, according to many economic and public policy experts, it was actually the socialist housing policies and regulations of Democratic presidents FDR, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton, and Democratic Congressmen and senators like Rep. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Charles Schumer, not just the lack of action by President Bush to roll back these policies and regulations, that mainly caused the meltdown in the housing market. Thus, sound capitalistic policies and regulations, and deregulation, had little or nothing to do with the housing meltdown. 14) Moore uses anecdotal evidence of individuals in dire economic straits to create sympathy for the anti-capitalist, pro-socialist and anti-corruption viewpoint in his movie, but this kind of argument or "evidence" does not prove his point since anecdotal information is a fallacious way to prove a point because it can only serve as an example, not as part of a deductive argument using logic or an inductive argument using facts, documentation and science. 15) Moore also uses emotional arguments and appeals to pity for these suffering individuals to convince viewers of his anti-capitalist, pro-socialist viewpoint, but, here again, such irrational arguments are fallacious. An appeal to pity or emotion does not invalidate your argument, but neither does it validate it. 16) Moore claims that the United States Constitution does not establish a capitalist system but instead advocates a Democratic Socialist one. He points to the phrase "We the People," and the phrase "to support the general welfare" to prove his point, but he forgets the commerce clause that appears later in the document and he forgets the Fifth Amendment, which supports the "right to property" and the "right to liberty." Also, no less a person than James Madison, the fourth president who is often also called "The Father of the Constitution" said on Feb 6, 1792 in a speech before Congress that this is not what the words "general welfare" mean. In fact, Madison says that federal aid to education and the poor, and federal regulation of roads, are both unconstitutional and anti-American:
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress. . . . Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundation, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America." - James Madison, The Papers of James Madison, Vol. 14 (Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1983), pages 223-224.
1. Catherine Rampell, "Top 1% Paid More in Federal Income Taxes Than Bottom 95% in '07," NEW YORK TIMES, July 30, 2009.
I have nothing more than a high school degree. But back when I was in school, every student had to take one semester of economics in order to graduate. And here's what I learned: Money doesn't grow on trees. It grows when we make things. It grows when we have good jobs with good wages that we use to buy the things we need and thus create more jobs. It grows when we provide an outstanding educational system that then grows a new generation of inventers, entrepreneurs, artists, scientists and thinkers who come up with the next great idea for the planet. And that new idea creates new jobs and that creates revenue for the state. But if those who have the most money don't pay their fair share of taxes, the state can't function. The schools can't produce the best and the brightest who will go on to create those jobs. If the wealthy get to keep most of their money, we have seen what they will do with it: recklessly gamble it on crazy Wall Street schemes and crash our economy. The crash they created cost us millions of jobs. That too caused a reduction in revenue. And the population ended up suffering because they reduced their taxes, reduced our jobs and took wealth out of the system, removing it from circulation. The nation is not broke, my friends. Wisconsin is not broke. It's part of the Big Lie. It's one of the three biggest lies of the decade: America/Wisconsin is broke, Iraq has WMD, the Packers can't win the Super Bowl without Brett Favre. The truth is, there's lots of money to go around. LOTS. It's just that those in charge have diverted that wealth into a deep well that sits on their well-guarded estates. They know they have committed crimes to make this happen and they know that someday you may want to see some of that money that used to be yours. So they have bought and paid for hundreds of politicians across the country to do their bidding for them. But just in case that doesn't work, they've got their gated communities, and the luxury jet is always fully fueled, the engines running, waiting for that day they hope never comes. To help prevent that day when the people demand their country back, the wealthy have done two very smart things: 1. They control the message. By owning most of the media they have expertly convinced many Americans of few means to buy their version of the American Dream and to vote for their politicians. Their version of the Dream says that you, too, might be rich some day � this is America, where anything can happen if you just apply yourself! They have conveniently provided you with believable examples to show you how a poor boy can become a rich man, how the child of a single mother in Hawaii can become president, how a guy with a high school education can become a successful filmmaker. They will play these stories for you over and over again all day long so that the last thing you will want to do is upset the apple cart -- because you -- yes, you, too! -- might be rich/president/an Oscar-winner some day! The message is clear: keep your head down, your nose to the grindstone, don't rock the boat and be sure to vote for the party that protects the rich man that you might be some day. 2. They have created a poison pill that they know you will never want to take. It is their version of mutually assured destruction. And when they threatened to release this weapon of mass economic annihilation in September of 2008, we blinked. As the economy and the stock market went into a tailspin, and the banks were caught conducting a worldwide Ponzi scheme, Wall Street issued this threat: Either hand over trillions of dollars from the American taxpayers or we will crash this economy straight into the ground. Fork it over or it's Goodbye savings accounts. Goodbye pensions. Goodbye United States Treasury. Goodbye jobs and homes and future. It was friggin' awesome and it scared the shit out of everyone. "Here! Take our money! We don't care. We'll even print more for you! Just take it! But, please, leave our lives alone, PLEASE!" The executives in the board rooms and hedge funds could not contain their laughter, their glee, and within three months they were writing each other huge bonus checks and marveling at how perfectly they had played a nation full of suckers. Millions lost their jobs anyway, and millions lost their homes. But there was no revolt (see #1). Until now. On Wisconsin! Never has a Michigander been more happy to share a big, great lake with you! You have aroused the sleeping giant know as the working people of the United States of America. Right now the earth is shaking and the ground is shifting under the feet of those who are in charge. Your message has inspired people in all 50 states and that message is: WE HAVE HAD IT! We reject anyone tells us America is broke and broken. It's just the opposite! We are rich with talent and ideas and hard work and, yes, love. Love and compassion toward those who have, through no fault of their own, ended up as the least among us. But they still crave what we all crave: Our country back! Our democracy back! Our good name back! The United States of America. NOT the Corporate States of America. The United States of America! So how do we get this? Well, we do it with a little bit of Egypt here, a little bit of Madison there. And let us pause for a moment and remember that it was a poor man with a fruit stand in Tunisia who gave his life so that the world might focus its attention on how a government run by billionaires for billionaires is an affront to freedom and morality and humanity. Thank you, Wisconsin. You have made people realize this was our last best chance to grab the final thread of what was left of who we are as Americans. For three weeks you have stood in the cold, slept on the floor, skipped out of town to Illinois -- whatever it took, you have done it, and one thing is for certain: Madison is only the beginning. The smug rich have overplayed their hand. They couldn't have just been content with the money they raided from the treasury. They couldn't be satiated by simply removing millions of jobs and shipping them overseas to exploit the poor elsewhere. No, they had to have more � something more than all the riches in the world. They had to have our soul. They had to strip us of our dignity. They had to shut us up and shut us down so that we could not even sit at a table with them and bargain about simple things like classroom size or bulletproof vests for everyone on the police force or letting a pilot just get a few extra hours sleep so he or she can do their job -- their $19,000 a year job. That's how much some rookie pilots on commuter airlines make, maybe even the rookie pilots flying people here to Madison. But he's stopped trying to get better pay. All he asks is that he doesn't have to sleep in his car between shifts at O'Hare airport. That's how despicably low we have sunk. The wealthy couldn't be content with just paying this man $19,000 a year. They wanted to take away his sleep. They wanted to demean and dehumanize him. After all, he's just another slob. And that, my friends, is Corporate America's fatal mistake. But trying to destroy us they have given birth to a movement -- a movement that is becoming a massive, nonviolent revolt across the country. We all knew there had to be a breaking point some day, and that point is upon us. Many people in the media don't understand this. They say they were caught off guard about Egypt, never saw it coming. Now they act surprised and flummoxed about why so many hundreds of thousands have come to Madison over the last three weeks during brutal winter weather. "Why are they all standing out there in the cold? I mean there was that election in November and that was supposed to be that! "There's something happening here, and you don't know what it is, do you...?" America ain't broke! The only thing that's broke is the moral compass of the rulers. And we aim to fix that compass and steer the ship ourselves from now on. Never forget, as long as that Constitution of ours still stands, it's one person, one vote, and it's the thing the rich hate most about America -- because even though they seem to hold all the money and all the cards, they begrudgingly know this one unshakeable basic fact: There are more of us than there are of them! Madison, do not retreat. We are with you. We will win together. Follow Michael Moore on Twitter: www.twitter.com/MMFlint
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Look, Mr Moore, when John Boehner says that America is broke, he is correct. We are very close to our debt ceiling of $14t, which is nearing 100% of GDP. Usually, owing debt equal to your assets counts as broke. You think we have it bad now? Hoo boy, you better be ready for 2050, baby. Can you say $100t in unfunded liabilitie There is no way to reasonably justify that the CEO of Foresight Energy LLC, who worked for years in a coal mine, is not deserving of his wealth, while Stuart Mantel, a teacher who pulled a chair from under his student for not answering his angry diatribe but cannot be fired due to the union strangleho
I agree. Mr. Boehner can say the Country is
broke all day long but it dosen't make it so.
When the republican
Yes, when you think about what it costs to get
elected compared to what the job pays there is a
serious imbalance. It seems the more often than
not, he who spends the most wins. Who fills the
void? Our friends the corporatio
The real trick is how do we get the wolf out of the chicken pen. It's going to hurt but it will hurt more if we continue doing nothing.
One man one vote, that is until the Republican
3-step "fix"
1. (prelude) Sell/cash out of all your stock and bond investment 2. (prelude) Make YOUR money unreachabl 3. (the main part) GENERAL STRIKE. "Atlas Shrugged" in reverse. See how long the rich and their wholly owned politician P.S. Do not let the criminal institutio
Michael Moore is wrong to call this a "financial
coup d'etat". A coup d'etat implies an
involuntar
First, there was no real transfer of power here. The rich have always held the power in this country. They just were given the green light to abuse that power to greatly increase their riches at the expense of the American middle class. Second, it wasn't an entirely involuntar
Amen, Caneca. Well said.
That is a continuing problem for the US, the moral causes of many Repub voters has blinded them to the real problem they have, which is they will be totally broke very soon.
Well-state
Until we have 65% unemployme
America already
doesn't exist as
a nation.
When you can't even raise enough personal income tax revenue to pay the INTEREST on the public debt, YOU ARE DEAD.
Michael---
Write something about the law just passed in Michigan-- The media blackout is deafening.
Everyone needs to watch "Inside Job", and they
need to do it soon. The American government is
the tool of choice for Wall Street, and they
don't care about poor people. Don't expect
change with the current government or the next
unless the citizens vote in people with no
corporate ties that will actually make change
happen.
Its ONLY the US Constituti
Unions? Bust 'em! Isn't that the Conservati What's good for the goose must be good for the gander, right? Then "Bust the Chamber of Commerce". Isn't it a "union" formed to advance business interests by using the power of many to do more effectivel Just asking -- not trying to start a revolution -- except seeking some very public "Perp Walks" [read: "justice"] by some Wall Street execs and DC pols. Well, that and meaningful campaign reform, including overturnin
Show me the facts. I want to see
hard figures. I have read/heard
all the rhetoric on this I think
is appropriat
Thank you for
taking the time
to reply and
provide your
thoughts on the
matter. However,
we seem to
disagree on
certain points.
Labor and unions
have been taking
the brunt of the
"blame" for more
than a
generation
In response to your reply: 1) Please read: http://www No, we need to recognize we're ALL in this boat we call life "together"
LOL, Moore agrees with me. I've been saying we
aren't broke for a very long time. No one
listens, but whatever. I know I'm right, so
that's good enough for me.
well, if you and Michael Moore
say so...who could argue?
while i agree in most of what you are saying, i
think you are the worst possible messenger. you
are a polarizing figure, with a tainted
reputation and your insistence in merging banker
bashing with this political fight i think does
no one any good. alot of bankers are on the side
of the unions. this is a political flight and
the bankers are not all on the other side of the
fence, yet
Look the tax structure is designed to repay
businesses electoral support, tax loopholes are
not accidental
Even Pres. Clinton gave one of the biggest tax breaks to the rich when he reduced the Capital Gains tax by 60%. People sometimes make things into what they are not to substantia
One more thing, the lack of
economic knowledge on this site
astonishes me.
MM is not
everyone's
cup-of-tea
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We need competitio
Why didn't you
include GM in
your comment.
The say they
made a profit,
they have not
paid back all
the bailout yet
they gave huge
bonuses to their
union bosses and
others. This is
different why?
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The NEA is a monopoly.
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Michael, thank you for again speaking the truth.
Thank you for GOING to Wisconsin, not just
writing a blog, and giving hope to these
workers, all of us workers. I am here at my
computer, listening to you on a Youtube video,
and my husband says: "a rabble-rou
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Michael Moore is a friggin' national treasure. I only wish he'd slim down and take care of his health so we'd have him for longer. But anyways, THANKS MIKE! YOU ROCK!!!!