HonkyCracker: thats what im talkin about

HonkyCracker: they are not judahite

HonkyCracker: they are not israelite

HonkyCracker: 96 percent of tehm have ZERO israelite blood in them

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HonkyCracker: the other very small group of sefardi

CQutie: ummmm they are part of the house of judah

rnzrose1: so... who then is the jews of today's patriarchal father Honky?

HonkyCracker: yes "ummmm"

HonkyCracker: all you can do is say um

HonkyCracker: i am providing you with .. names

HonkyCracker: so that you can research

HonkyCracker: ok?

CQutie: how do u figure that they have to israelite blood?

HonkyCracker: look it up in the jewish encyclopedia

HonkyCracker: "Khazar"

HonkyCracker: look it up

CQutie: ok

HonkyCracker: the entire ashkenazi jewish family

HonkyCracker: have NOHTING to do with israel

HonkyCracker: the other minority.. sefari

HonkyCracker: are a mix

rnzrose1: mix of??

HonkyCracker: between all canaanite seeds and black moores (muslims) and spainiards

HonkyCracker: that means

rnzrose1: does that worry you?

HonkyCracker: the whole of "modern jewry"

HonkyCracker: can constitute

HonkyCracker: ONLY

HonkyCracker: 4 percent of them

HonkyCracker: remotely

HonkyCracker: connected to "Judah"

HonkyCracker: or "Jacob" himself

HonkyCracker: that means

CQutie: if you take hold of the torah, then you are considered grafted in to the house of jacob

HonkyCracker: the promiseses and the blessings

HonkyCracker: bestowed on the houses

HonkyCracker: have to be found ELSEWHERE

HonkyCracker: because the jews, are not israelites

HonkyCracker: they admit it THEMSELVES

CQutie: yes they are

HonkyCracker: in their own writings

HonkyCracker: yes CQ

HonkyCracker: you love to gainsay my speech

CQutie: what writings?

HonkyCracker: but i see no proof

CQutie: read the torah

CQutie: there is a ton of proof there

HonkyCracker: i am speaking of the encyclopedia judaica

HonkyCracker: i am speaking of paul wexler

HonkyCracker: the linguist out of tel aviv

HonkyCracker: the "torah"

HonkyCracker: has NOTHING

HonkyCracker: NOTHING AT ALL

HonkyCracker: to do with "jews"

HonkyCracker: lol.

HonkyCracker: "jews"

HonkyCracker: are not israelites

HonkyCracker: and if you mean

CQutie: u couldn't be more wrong

HonkyCracker: yes CQ

HonkyCracker: i see no proof?

HonkyCracker: you can only gainsay me

CQutie: try reading the torah

rnzrose1: ALL Jews are Israelites, But not all israeilites are Jews

HonkyCracker: yes what about it?

HonkyCracker: cQ

HonkyCracker: WHAT

HonkyCracker: about it?

HonkyCracker: where in the torah

HonkyCracker: can you even give me a reference

CQutie: hold on a sec

HonkyCracker: rn

HonkyCracker: its a proven fact

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: not all jews are israelites

HonkyCracker: its a jewish-admitted statement

HonkyCracker: that the majority of them

HonkyCracker: are khazar

HonkyCracker: (turkic)

HonkyCracker: these arnt just figments of my imagination

HonkyCracker: its proven linguisticly as the jewish professor out of tel aviv (paul wexler) states in his many books

HonkyCracker: its biblically backed byt he old and new testaments

HonkyCracker: its archeologicalyl an impossibility

HonkyCracker: and its historically secured that the true judahites were MOSTLY scattered WITH israel by assyria

rnzrose1: sssoooo, you are saying, there is not house of judah - even in this end time?

HonkyCracker: long before the remnant went into babylonia

HonkyCracker: of course not

HonkyCracker: ii am saying like i said in teh first place

HonkyCracker: the MODERN JEWS

HonkyCracker: are not Judahite

HonkyCracker: and

HonkyCracker: do not (in any way) constitute the "house of judah"

rnzrose1: so the jews that were brought back to Jerusalem??? what of their seed

HonkyCracker: the jews that ventured BACK

HonkyCracker: were a mixed group

HonkyCracker: this is in your bible

HonkyCracker: look it up

rnzrose1: to build that second temple - yes

HonkyCracker: start in ezra

HonkyCracker: then go to nehemiah

HonkyCracker: and you will find

HonkyCracker: that the "israelites"

rnzrose1: You know, a few families there...

HonkyCracker: were taking their slaves

HonkyCracker: with them

HonkyCracker: "Nethinim"

HonkyCracker: look it up

HonkyCracker: "Nethinim"

HonkyCracker: ok?

HonkyCracker: which are IN THE SAME BOOKS

HonkyCracker: identified

HonkyCracker: as canaanites

HonkyCracker: and...

HonkyCracker: in MALACHI

rnzrose1: I will ask around ... "Nethinim"

HonkyCracker: clearly. sets forth

HonkyCracker: that the preisthood was racially corrupted

HonkyCracker: by these canaanite slaves

HonkyCracker: that had become scribes for the levitical line

HonkyCracker: dont ask around

HonkyCracker: try opening your bible and reading?

rnzrose1: sure ... and the correct lineage in aarons line set in place

rnzrose1: to offer sacrifices in the temple

HonkyCracker: CQ im waiting for that reference in the Torah

rnzrose1: and others priests to do service too, but in thier area of temple service.

HonkyCracker: RN

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: you got yerself a bible right there no?

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: Ezra 2:70

HonkyCracker: So the priests, and the Levites, and some of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities.

rnzrose1: you may have a point honky... 'may'

rnzrose1: yeah

HonkyCracker: Nathan as you may recall

HonkyCracker: means "given to servace"

HonkyCracker: these were nethanim (servants - slaves)

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: Ezra 8:20

HonkyCracker: Also of the Nethinims, whom David and the princes had appointed for the service of the Levites, two hundred and twenty Nethinims: all of them were expressed by name.

HonkyCracker: notice who the Slaves worked for?

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: now

HonkyCracker: do you recall in Ezra

HonkyCracker: when he coutned the heads of all the men

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: and found not

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: ONE Levite Male

rnzrose1: hmmm continue

HonkyCracker: and eyt

HonkyCracker: we have

HonkyCracker: Nethenim

HonkyCracker: that are supposed to be servant to the Levites

HonkyCracker: let me find you the verse

HonkyCracker: that says not one levite male

rnzrose1: ok

HonkyCracker: Ezra 9:1

worked for?

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: now

HonkyCracker: do you recall in Ezra

HonkyCracker: when he coutned the heads of all the men

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: and found not

rnzrose1: y

HonkyCracker: ONE Levite Male

rnzrose1: hmmm continue

HonkyCracker: and eyt

HonkyCracker: we have

HonkyCracker: Nethenim

HonkyCracker: that are supposed to be servant to the Levites

HonkyCracker: let me find you the verse

HonkyCracker: that says not one levite male

rnzrose1: ok

HonkyCracker: Ezra 9:1

HonkyCracker: Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.

HonkyCracker: what were they doing

HonkyCracker: reestablishing the temple, no?

rnzrose1: ok, back up a little in the verse.... whenthese things were done... what things?

HonkyCracker: yes i know im preluding to the counting.

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HonkyCracker: CQ got us a verse?

CQutie: i think i am too tired to find it

HonkyCracker: yea

HonkyCracker: doest really matter anyway

HonkyCracker: beacuse the "Torah"

HonkyCracker: has nothing to do with modern jewry

HonkyCracker: does it?

HonkyCracker: were modern jewry around then

CQutie: if the modern jews keep torah then they too will receive the promises

HonkyCracker: that does NOT mean they are judahites does it sister?

rnzrose1: honky... c an I add you to my pallist plz

HonkyCracker: sure

rnzrose1: will catch up with you ok???

HonkyCracker: i wanna show ye

HonkyCracker: where it says he counted them

rnzrose1: I have to cook tea...

rnzrose1: Is daylight saving, summertime in New Zealand.

rnzrose1: Is gone half seven sunday evening (but its daylight still) here.

HonkyCracker: 15 And I gathered them together to the river that runneth to Ahava; and there abode we in tents three days: and I viewed the people, and the priests, and found there none of the sons of Levi.

HonkyCracker: look

HonkyCracker: Ezra 8

rnzrose1: wow

HonkyCracker: notice he "viewed the preists"

HonkyCracker: yet not one of these "preists" were levites

HonkyCracker: if they were not levites then what were they

HonkyCracker: so guess what he did?

HonkyCracker: he sent the NETHINIM

HonkyCracker: back to babylon to fetch him some

HonkyCracker: 16 Then sent I for Eliezer, for Ariel, for Shemaiah, and for Elnathan, and for Jarib, and for Elnathan, and for Nathan, and for Zechariah, and for Meshullam, chief men; also for Joiarib, and for Elnathan, men of understanding

rnzrose1: yep... I know there ae others serving today in priestly offices... but when it comes to the Third temple, only the rightful levites line shall serve as sacrificing to YHVH

rnzrose1: In Ezek there.

CQutie: numbers 15:15-16

HonkyCracker: yea well im talkin about

rnzrose1: Laws of the third temple

HonkyCracker: coming back to jerusalem

HonkyCracker: like you said

HonkyCracker: in ezras day

HonkyCracker: that constituted the "house of judah"

HonkyCracker: for this we know.

CQutie: there is one torah for you and the alien who sojourns among you

HonkyCracker: that jesus came only to the house of israel

HonkyCracker: and we have to ask ourselves

CQutie: it is the same torah for all.....no matter which tribe you come from

HonkyCracker: how does the ohuse of judah fit into that.

HonkyCracker: since .. it TOO

HonkyCracker: is part of the .. host of israel

CQutie: they are one of the twelve tribes

HonkyCracker: for jesus came only

HonkyCracker: to

HonkyCracker: teh house of israel

HonkyCracker: which was scattered abroad

CQutie: yes....all are descendants of jacob/israel

HonkyCracker: and so how or where

HonkyCracker: did the house of judah fit into that

HonkyCracker: DURING the life of jesus

rnzrose1: aaah... it is thru that gentile prospering testament that the House of Israel is slowly but surely being turned back to the torah... Read Hosea.

rnzrose1: Chapter 3

rnzrose1: and example

CQutie: yes

HonkyCracker: pardon?

HonkyCracker: gentile

HonkyCracker: so your saying the house of israel

HonkyCracker: is made of gentiles?

rnzrose1: they think they are yeah

CQutie: gentiles are grafted in

HonkyCracker: i thought you just got done saying it was the 10 and a half tribes

rnzrose1: don't even know they are of the ancient Hebrews

HonkyCracker: yes...

HonkyCracker: TRUE israelites

HonkyCracker: yes...

HonkyCracker: and jesus came

HonkyCracker: ONLY

HonkyCracker: to the house of israel

HonkyCracker: not teh house of judah

HonkyCracker: and so im asking you

HonkyCracker: how does this fit into it

HonkyCracker: judah was not lost??

CQutie: yahshua came for all the lost sheep, not just house of israel

rnzrose1: not lost, entirely... not wholesale like the northern kingdom

HonkyCracker: or is this supposed to be the jealousy

HonkyCracker: that YHVH spoke of

HonkyCracker: in Deut 32:21

rnzrose1: what??? read Hosea 3

whitestman: He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24

HonkyCracker: 21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

whitestman: "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 10:5-9

rnzrose1: will get back to you Honky, intersting.

HonkyCracker: yea its "interesting"

HonkyCracker: but i hope we come to a serious conclusion

HonkyCracker: because .. im tellin ya

CQutie: read hosea 1:11

HonkyCracker: the jews are NOT house of Judah

HonkyCracker: this is proven

rnzrose1: aaah, well we are all going to receive some conclusion.

HonkyCracker: for anyone who is not religiously blinded

whitestman: House of Judah was the Tribe of Benjamin and the Tribe of Judah

HonkyCracker: read it again

HonkyCracker: Deut 32:21

HonkyCracker: 21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

whitestman: Benjamin is Iceland and Judah is Germany

CQutie: and the sons of Judah and the sons of Israel will be gathered together

HonkyCracker: yes CQ

HonkyCracker: im sure you have no idea when and who that is

HonkyCracker: little white gurls

rnzrose1: restoration

HonkyCracker: messin with messianic jews

HonkyCracker: gonna get yourselves spiritually murdered

HonkyCracker: your heritage

CQutie: i don't think so

HonkyCracker: riped from you

rnzrose1: me?? messing?

rnzrose1: with messianics?

HonkyCracker: under the binds?

HonkyCracker: of the preists?

HonkyCracker: just as in jesus day

HonkyCracker: the nethinim racially corrupted canaanite preists

HonkyCracker: pretending to be the masters of israel

rnzrose1: jesus is the makeover... and has prospered honky

rnzrose1: hey there RU

HonkyCracker: you say its "interesting"

RU4TORAH: hi rose

HonkyCracker: then you look it up and learn.

CQutie: what are you talking about? honky?

rnzrose1: oh I do.

HonkyCracker: because heaven forbid