> Dennis

Yes it is like reminding certain people that the author of Hebrews says there remains a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God and same people keep ignoring it and hoping it will go away. And like pointing out that those who do not receive the mark of the beast keep the commandments of God.

And they continue to ignore it and just keep saying the same false statements over and over. Won't mention any names. So frustrating. They even blacken the Messiah's name to the point of calling him a Sabbath breaker and a drunkard just because the Pharisees called him that. The Pharisees are the way, the truth, and the life to them. Isn't that sad.

Because they think it will come true if enough people agree. They keep ignoring the Scripture and keep stating that which is false. Won't mention any names. It is an amazing thing to watch.

Sea

 ----- Original Message -----

From: "Evangelist Dennis Littleton" <wk4j@bellsouth.net> 

You know Tim it's like watching members of a political party we all

know and I won't mention the name. They just keep saying the same

false statement over and over and think it will somehow become true

of that just enough people will believe it. They ignore the fact's

and just keep stating that which is false. It is an amazing thing to

watch.

Dennis

Bob,

Am I allowed to say "I don't know"? I will have to do more study on this.

I have no answers now.

Shabbat Shalom

Sea

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bob" <sanok29@mailite.com>

> "Seawife" said:

> > I don't know where Christians get this concept of an antiChrist rising

> > and giving us grief during the great tribulation. Revelation does tell

> > us that the dragon [satan] gives power unto the beast [some government

> > or nation] but no mention of an antiChrist.

>

> Do you actually believe the following verses refer to a government

> or a nation?

> Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet

> that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had

> received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.

> These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

>

> Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake

> of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and

> shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Kelly: In fact, alot of us look more like the Chimpanzee!

Sea: Well a lot act like them. Especially after drinking wine. No that is an insult to the Chimpanzee. Chimps would have more sense.

Tim, Muslims do worship the God of Abraham regardless of what they call Him or how they blacken His character. I have studied Islam and should have a bit of an idea seeing that their basic goal is to bring all people BACK to worshipping the God of Abraham. Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham. "The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has glorified HIS SERVANT JESUS" [Acts 13:3]. Jesus is the SON of the God of Abraham; the servant of the God of Abraham. The Jews also reject Jesus as God's son. Would you also say they don't worship the God of Abraham? The only group who do NOT worship the God of Abraham are the mainstream Christians. They worship "a strange god that the fathers never knew". There is more to being antichrist then just denying the son. How many "Jesus id God people" do you know who acknowledge the Father AND the Son? How many do you know who believe Jesus came in OUR fallen flesh? Mayhap everybody is antichrist.

Blessings

Sea

----- Original Message -----

From: "Tim H" <THardesty@sbcglobal.net>

> Hi Sea, I disagree that Muslims worship the

> God of Abraham. Islam does not believe that

> Jesus was/is the son of God, and states that

> Allah would not have a son. This is antichrist,

> and not the same God...

>

> Love in Christ,

> Tim H

I don't know how you consider him Kelleigh but I consider him to be the Son of the Eternal Elohim. When you are here long enough you will get to know how different he is to the different members. We don't all worship the same God or have the same Messiah.

Shabbat Shalom

Sea

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kelleigh" <kelgrace@bigpond.net.au>

How shall we consider Christ?

Long before Christ's first advent, the prophet Isaiah spoke these

words of comfort to Israel:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the

government shall be upon His shoulder and His name shall be called

Wonderful Counselor the mighty God, the everalsting Father and the

Prince of Peace." Isa 9:6

Kel

--- In TruthorTradition@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <sanok29@...> wrote:

>

> Seawife, in Hebrews 1:8, The Father is still addressing Jesus and

calls

> Him, O God.

> So, Sea, what about these verses?

>

> Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor

> free, there is neither male nor

> female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Sea: What about them? The Christian homosexual community also use this to "prove" there is nothing wrong with their behaviour. The rebellious women priests and pastors also use it to justify their rebellion. One can do a lot when one takes Scripture out of context.

> Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing,

> nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Sea: If we do not become new creatures we have just been buried alive in baptism. We go in the water dry pagans and come out wet pagans.

>

> II Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:

> old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Sea: See above.

>

> I think it's clear that the Church, i.e., the Body of Christ, i.e.,

> all those who are 'in Christ' are new creatures---not part of

> Israel---and are also heirs to the promises of Israel.

Sea: According to Paul we are grafted in and should not boast lest we be pruned off again.

> Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs

> according to the promise.

Sea: Just as I said. We are Israel.

> Believing that we are grafted into Israel I think is due to

> misunderstanding what Paul says about it...

Sea: On the other hand, the misunderstanding comes from those who don't want to be a part of Israel because they may have to reconsider their lifestyle.

>

> Love in Christ,

> Tim H

Blessings

Modified Monday, July 13, 2009