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Then why don't you accept him, and bring him into your life.  

 

-------Original Message-------

 

From: debunks

Date: 6/27/2009 10:50:57 PM

To: israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

You're filth, Terry

 

 

-------Original Message-------

 

From: isaiah14

Date: 6/21/2009 7:54:30 AM

To: israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Well I am, but you don't understand because you are not a part of God's kingdom. 

 

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From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/21/2009 9:41:21 AM

To: israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Terry is "clean, modest, perfect, innocent"?

 

Please don't make me laugh like that, Terry.  It's hurts my tummy!  LOL!

 

 

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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal.net>
To: israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:21:16 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

No it isn't. Anybody can do that and not be a saint. What does saint mean? It means to be clean, pure, modest, to be perfect, to be innocent. None of what is said below has anything with being a saint. You must be born again in order to be a saint. You must turn your life over to Jesus Christ. 

 

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From: Debunks

Date: 6/21/2009 12:29:31 AM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Yes, indeed, Don.   THAT is how a saint lives.

 

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From: Don Divine

Date: 6/20/2009 10:27:20 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Jesus said to serve your fellow man.
Matthew 25
 34.  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
 35.  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
 36.  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
 37.  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
 38.  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
 39.  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
 40.  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
 41.  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 42.  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
 43.  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
 44.  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
 45.  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
 46.  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


--- On Sun, 6/21/09, isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net> wrote:


From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 4:02 AM

 

Again you are wrong. Saints live for God not for their fellow man. Jesus Christ said, that if I (he) be lifted up, all men would follow after men. Besides, Jesus also told his disciples to first go to the lost sheep of Israel, not to all the races. I follow the commands of Jesus Christ. MY self interests are his self interests. 

 

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From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/20/2009 10:52:16 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Saints lead saintly lives, which you do not do.  They do not live lives of self-interest.  They live for their fellow man whether it be white, black, tan, red haired or dark.  And they follow the commands of Jesus Christ to the letter!

 

You have failed, Terry, on all counts.

 

 

 

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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:36:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

Saints are those that follow Jesus Christ, that put their trust in Jesus Christ, that have him as their friend. This is what I am guilty of. 

 

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From: debunks

Date: 6/20/2009 8:22:18 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

You're in no position to be lecturing others on the subject of saintliness.  You're the farthest thing from it.

 

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From: isaiah14

Date: 6/19/2009 3:45:39 AM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

What does saint mean? Do you even know? Paul even says to greet the saints in a few of his epistles, but you have no idea what he meant. See you don't fear God, and don't even bother to talk to him we know where you stand. 

 

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From: Don Divine

Date: 6/19/2009 12:08:53 AM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

You a Saint? More likely 

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net> wrote:


From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 9:03 PM

 

I can't admit that it didn't happen, because it did. I am a saint. What is the meaning of a saint? 

 

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From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/18/2009 3:44:28 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Admit it, Terry, it never happened.

 

This is just your little story to try to gather some credibility.  Probably your master John Knightmare told you to do this.  I doubt you'd have the wit yourself.

 

Or have you secretly been reading the Lives of the Saints and now pretending your life emulates theirs?

 

 

 

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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:00:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

Of course you won't believe that God can do that. You have to believe in God first, and since you don't have a relationship with Jesus Christ and you would rather pray to Mary and the saints, you are blind to the truth. Then the fool debunk pulls out the Bible for the first time in his life and tries to reprimand me for something that really happened to me. Boy are you people blind and full of deception. So I rebuke debunk for his foolishness. He is in a pagan cult and uses the Bible against a true born again Christian that had a meeting with Jesus Christ. You soul be ashamed of yourself. That is like a Satanist preaching from the Bible. No wait a minute, it is a Satanist preaching from the bible. Sorry folks you don't want to believe because you don't believe that someone can have a one on one relationship with Jesus Christ. I suppose the Apostle Paul never fell off his horse on the Damascus road when he was confronted by Jesus Christ, or Peter have a vision of a sheet dropping down in front of him just a few minutes before the visitors arrived. How about Philip, when God told him to meet the eunuch. I know all of this is from evil spirits right.  Not bad for someone who is involved in a false doctrine that likes to make up things as they go along. If I worshiped the idols and statues as you do, I would expect to be visited by evil spirits. But since I walk and talk to Jesus Christ; and know him on a personal basis, it is he that chose me because I am one of the lost sheep of Israel. 

 

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From: debunks

Date: 6/18/2009 1:34:33 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

 Gal 1:8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!

(Gal 1:9) We have said it before, and now I say it again: if anyone preaches to you a gospel that is different from the one you accepted, may he be condemned to hell!

(2Ti 4:2) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

 

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From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/17/2009 9:39:56 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

That's what happens when you get drunk, Terry.

 

I don't believe a word of it - not from someone who lies like you do.

 

 

 

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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:54:25 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

When I was in college is when I got saved. I was never told about Jesus Christ directly.. It was actually an after thought. I was a roman catholic and I met someone who was the head of a Christian community. He was reading a book that was written by a former roman catholic priest that tore a part the roman catholic church. The head of this community really opened my eyes about the roman catholic church. I was later given the book, "The Late Great Planet Earth," by Hal Lindsey. I now know, through my own research, that much of the belief in the pre-tribulation rapture is actually a hoax, and that Hal Lindesy was merely speculating. Never the less, I got drunk that night, and got back to my apartment about 11 PM. I read the book until 3 AM when I finally finished it. I put the book down on the coffee table and just sat back. To my right I saw three angels standing on one side of the room.. To my left I saw another angel standing in the corner of the room. On my immediate left I saw Jesus Christ. I stood up from the couch and Jesus Took a step toward me and touched me on my forehead. I collapsed immediately. I had to crawl down to my water bed which was in the basement. That is how I know I'm an Israelite. Jesus found me. 

A week later I had a bout with Satan, and saw him a number of times. It was three weeks later that I was praying to speak in tongues, and an angel came to me again. In his left hand, as I was looking at him,the angel had a piece of coal that I could see was glowing. In his right hand he had a small branding iron that was about eight inches in length, and the top of it was about three inches long and an two inches  wide. The angel pressed the hot coal on my lips, and then pressed the branding iron on my forehead. The angel left, and Jesus came to me and kissed me on my left cheek. When I woke up, I was speaking in tongues. This is how I know I'm an Israelite. I didn't seek Jesus Christ; he sought me.

 

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From: Don Divine

Date: 6/17/2009 6:09:24 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Then, how do you know that you are an "Israelite"? Especially, since you do not know who your parents were?

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net> wrote:


From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:43 PM

 

True..  

 

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From: d_3_8_69

Date: 6/14/2009 6:37:05 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

So not all Whites are Israelites?

--- In israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com, "isaiah14" <isaiah14@.. .> wrote:
>
> The Caucasians are Hebrews and Israelites. All Israelites are Hebrews but
> not all Hebrews are Israelites. The Black race is behemeth, and the Asian
> race is Enosh. Many scientist believe that the Asian race is actually a
> hybrid race..
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Debunks
> Date: 6/14/2009 11:03:28 AM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> Teri, we want you to cite all the 'beasts' in the images below. Point out
> the Caucasians, Negroes, Asians, and Indians.
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: isaiah14
> Date: 6/12/2009 2:37:06 PM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> You are under God's curse. You are insulting one of his children. Satan has
> been using you for a long time.
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Debunks
> Date: 6/12/2009 4:07:19 PM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> Teri still has to answer the following, too.
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: JPB
> Date: 5/15/2009 3:35:26 PM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> Teri, who is SO infatuated with his white skin, ought to focus all his
> energy on ETERNITY, because when you enter there, brother, you won't be
> wearing ANY skin at all -
> your bones will be left to rot in a grave or else will be burned to ashes in
> a crematoria - But since you place so much stock in race, point out to us
> the races of the following -
>
> What race? What race?
>
> What race? What race?
>
> What race? What race?
>
>
> What race? Race? Race?
>
> Race? Race?
>
> Race? Teri's END.
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Viva Veridad
> Date: 5/15/2009 2:58:47 PM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> Amen!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: d_3_8_69 <D3869@...>
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:01:03 PM
> Subject: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
>
> Contributions?
> Yours are distortions, half truths, and plain, vile HATRED!
>
> --- In israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com, "Jacob Israel" <ji@> wrote:
> >
> > <<< Gabrich's mother probably only fetched a dozen chickens. No need for a
> rooster.>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you trying to prove, once again, that the only contribution to this
> “discussion� from you easily beguiled whores is character assassination?
> Isn’t that the same lack of response to the topic at hand that we got from
> faith BULL!:
> >
> >
> >
> > <<<It would never survive in our church. It's more at home in your
> non-denomination groupings! Like Bohemian Grove - with all your so WHITE
> brethern!>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesus said to follow God's COMMANDMENTS, not some highly recommended hints
> or suggestions:
> >
> >
> >
> > John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that
> loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will
> love him, and will manifest myself to him.
> >
> >
> >
> > What you niggerized race mixing whores follow is the exact OPPOSITE. There
> s not a SINGLE one of God's commandments, in particular EACH ONE of the ten
> COMMANDMENTS [not ten suggestions] , that you haven't twisted into a mental
> pretzel.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That makes your "church" THE anti-Christ! ~
> >
> >
> >
> > http://christianpar ty.net/rcc. htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Knight
> >
> >
> >
> > From: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:israeliteid entity@
> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of d_3_8_69
> > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gabrich's mother probably only fetched a dozen chickens. No need for a
> rooster.
> >
> > --- In israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:israeliteid
> entity%40yahoogr oups.com> , Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Terry gets down and dirty, revealing his disgustingly low mentality. We
> knew he was dim, but now it's all revealed how filthy he is.
> > >
> > > And he purports to be a "man of God." What a joke! "Birds of a feather
> flock together." Terry and John Knight are really sick birds.
> > >
> > > Saved? Hardly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@>
> > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:israeliteid
> entity%40yahoogr oups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:11:33 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How many did your father have to hump to buy your mother stupid?
> > >
> > > -------Original Message----- --
> > >
> > > From: d3869
> > > Date: 5/15/2009 1:22:40 AM
> > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
> > >
> > > Tell me, Knight of the Toilets, How many goats and donkeys did your
> father have to cough up to buy your mother?
> > >
> > > --- In israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com, blackexilenow
> <blackexilenow@ ....> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Furthermore, we have PROOF in their own words, from all three whores,
> that
> > > > they DO actually comprehend the real Word of God, because at least ONE
> of
> > > > them was able to paraphrase it ACCURATELY, and NONE of them refuted
> that it
> > > > was an accurate paraphrase:
> > > >
> > > > From: "Viva Veridad" <vivaveridad@ yahoo.ca>
> > > > To: <israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] the facts
> > > >
> > > > TOTAL RUBBISH, the following:
> > > > [read: Jesus is not the head of woman. Jesus is the head of man. Man
> is
> > > > the head of woman, and God is the head of Jesus. Women must be
> obedient to
> > > > their men, not to God nor to Jesus..]
> > > >
> > > > This means that women must pay no attention to God, to Jesus, but only
> to
> > > > men!
> > > >
> > > > What a laugh!
> > > >
> > > > It's a good thing I know there are intelligent men around for if women
> had
> > > > to be subservient to the likes of John Knight and Terry Gabrich, that
> would
> > > > be the ultimate in INSULT to womanhood. It would be like God caving in
> to
> > > > the Devil!
> > > >
> > > > No, my very stupid friends, men are as imperfect as the rest of us,
> and no
> > > > woman has to be obedient to a man who turns out to be an IDIOT!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:03 AM, isaiah14 <isaiah14@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No you are in a pagan religion. You still want to try to prove that
> > > > > Jesus Christ started the roman catholic church when there is no
> historical
> > > > > basis for it. Peter was never the first pope, and there is proof of
> that. Go
> > > > > ahead worship Mary and the saints, I would rather know Jesus Christ.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/14/2009 10:02:17 AM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > You're trying hard to convince yourself of that, aren't you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Truth abides with us. We are Israel.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@ .>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:54:43 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > You don't have any historical truth. Jesus Christ did not start the
> > > > > roman catholic church, and peter was never its first pope.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/14/2009 6:16:27 AM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Your words drip lavishly with ignorance.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't compete with historical truth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:19:17 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Yea right. You are so far a way from the truth. Constantine started
> > > > > your religion.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/13/2009 8:06:02 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > We do. You don't.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:11:38 PM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No you aren't. You are a roman catholic. You don't follow the
> > > > > Israelites of the Bible. You follow the false teachings of the roman
> > > > > catholic church.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/13/2009 4:10:50 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, we who follow Jesus Christ are ISRAEL.
> > > > >
> > > > > Viva Israel!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* JPB <debunks@sbcglobal. net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. . com
> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:41:32 PM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Well Teri certainly is not Israel, we are. He does not partake of
> the
> > > > > Eucharist, therefore he has 'no life in him,' according to Jesus
> Christ.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@ .>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 12:06:01 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Not true. It is God's people Israel that he blesses more. Get use to
> it.
> > > > > Get use to the idea that there will be those that will never, and
> can never
> > > > > enter into God's kingdom.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 12:38:57 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Like it or lump it, it's here. Get used to it.
> > > > >
> > > > > God blesses the heart not the colour of the skin.
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 1:18:01 PM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God didn't create many species of people in the world today... They
> were
> > > > > created by intermarriage which God hates.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 12:01:55 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God is the only CREATOR in existence, you fool!
> > > > >
> > > > > He created ALL living beings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether you like it or not.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 12:52:39 PM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God says that he hates them, and they hate God and Jesus Christ. As
> for
> > > > > God creating anything sacred. He didn't create the mixed races.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 10:43:12 AM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God hasn't rejected the Jews. He has rejected SINNING.
> > > > >
> > > > > He will judge each of us separately, according to our works,
> according to
> > > > > how WE TREATED OUR FELLOW MAN (includes all of mankind).
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesus loves all of us equally. On earth he is like a lamb, but when
> we die
> > > > > and after that the dread judgment, He will be like a LION to those
> who died
> > > > > unrepentant (that means for all of the sins they committed on this
> earth
> > > > > from birth to death, sins of omission, sins of commission, sins of
> > > > > thought...just think about it. That entails a lot.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Asking Jesus to be one's personal saviour and deciding one has a
> > > > > relationship with him, meanwhile behaving disgracefully to others,
> does not
> > > > > render one saved "under the blood of Jesus Christ." That's just the
> Church
> > > > > of the Free Lunch - non-existent - that Terry belongs to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember, each and every one of us was born equal in the eyes of God
> and
> > > > > as such we are brothers and sisters in His great family, and as such
> we
> > > > > should behave like brothers and sisters - otherwise we offend God by
> hating
> > > > > his creation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anything that God created, anyone that God chose for a special role,
> is
> > > > > SACRED.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 8:53:15 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God rejected Esau/Edom Malachi 1:1-4. Also when you consider that a
> > > > > mamzer (the product of an interracial marriage. Mamzer literally
> means
> > > > > mongrel, half bred) is not to enter into the congregation of the
> Lord.
> > > > > (Deuteronomy 23:2), Yes, God does reject certain people. God has
> rejected
> > > > > the Jews for one thing. The Jews are Esau/Edom.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* melvinalexander <melvinalexander@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 7:18:32 AM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > God does not reject anyone. He rejects sin.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "isaiah14" <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net <isaiah14%40sbcglob al
> net>>
> > > > > To: <israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti
> ty%40yahoogroups .com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:07 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God has rejected you because you rejected Jesus Christ. You are an
> > > > > idolater.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 05/10/09 20:05:59
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti
> ty%40yahoogroups .com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God preserve us from people like John Knight!
> > > > >
> > > > > If I were a person who didn't believe in God, I would be so put off
> > > > > religion
> > > > > by what I have just read in the tirade below. I wouldn't even want
> to know
> > > > > about God if I thought John Knight represented God's anointed. But
> > > > > thankfully, John Knight does not!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > John Knight couldn't convince ANYONE on the planet that there is a
> God,
> > > > > because (a) he has no understanding of how to behave towards his
> fellow
> > > > > man,
> > > > > and (b) he is a racist and a bigot, and he really doesn't care
> whether a
> > > > > person believes in God or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Jacob Israel <ji@christianparty. net <ji%40christianpart y
> net>>
> > > > > To: houseisrael@ yahoogroups. com <houseisrael% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> Israelites@yahoogro
> > > > > ups.com <Israelites% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com <israeliteidentity%
> 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > hilloftorah@ yahoogroups. com <hilloftorah% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > christiandentity@ yahoogroups. com <christiandentity% 40yahoogroups.
> com>; identity@yahoogroup
> > > > > s.com <identity%40yahoogr oups.com> ;
> > > > > TWOMIFTG@yahoogroup s.com <TWOMIFTG%40yahoogr oups.com> ;
> thespiritofjacob@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com <thespiritofjacob% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > christiandentity@ yahoogroups. com <christiandentity% 40yahoogroups.
> com>; jewsareedom@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com <jewsareedom% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > mamzers@yahoogroups .com <mamzers%40yahoogro ups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:36:03 PM
> > > > > Subject: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > <<< Where are the "Facts" that there is a God. There aren't any!>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course not. You niggers have no god. You are godless pagans and
> always
> > > > > will be no matter how much Christians try to explain it to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the God of ONLY the House of
> ISRAEL
> > > > > and House of Judah [who are NOT jews, as jews CLAIM to be godless
> > > > > Edomites].
> > > > >
> > > > > He is also NOT the God of many pure Israelite descendants of Jacob
> which
> > > > > people like Catholics MIGHT be, because HE rejected them millennia
> ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're absolutely right. You have no god. Just like all the cities
> and
> > > > > buildings and roads and bridges you see around you, it was us
> honkies who
> > > > > built the stars and the planets and Earth and the continents, and we
> just
> > > > > blamed it on Him.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://christianpar ty.net/pagans. htm
> > > > >
> > > > > John Knight
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Flack Flack [mailto:fa2a38@ hotmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM
> > > > > To: jk@israeliteidentit y.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Where are the "Facts" that there is a God. There aren't any!
> > > > >
> > > > > From: jk@israeliteidentit y.com
> > > > > To: ji@christianparty. net
> > > > > Subject: RE: the facts
> > > > > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:12 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > > <<< Exactly. Have you noticed how Teri completely IGNORES the fact
> that he
> > > > > and his idol knight have repeatedly demanded that women be STONED to
> > > > > DEATH????>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > To simply QUOTE the Word of God is not to DEMAND something, you
> pagan
> > > > > *idiot*..
> > > > >
> > > > > It's YOU, not US, who reject the Word of God, and we've gained
> NOTHING and
> > > > > lost MUCH by even entertaining your pagan misery, particularly when
> it
> > > > > comes
> > > > > to embracing niggers!!:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://christianpar ty.net/execution s.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > John Knight
> > > > >
> > > > > From: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:israeliteid
> > > > > entity@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of JPB
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:14 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Exactly. Have you noticed how Teri completely IGNORES the fact that
> he and
> > > > > his idol knight have repeatedly demanded that women be STONED to
> DEATH????
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/30/2009 6:30:16 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, Terry will say that the 13-year old, who knew the penalty for
> > > > > adultery,
> > > > > was "asking for it."
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry is a dangerously stupid man to be let loose on society.
> > > > >
> > > > > He was in the forces, Joseph, in other people's countries. God only
> knows
> > > > > what terror he inflicted on those he looks down on and denigrates.
> He is
> > > > > the type of soldier that brings shame to their own nation.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:30:00 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > You are so stupid. This was in a black nation where witchcraft
> abounds.
> > > > > This
> > > > > is what roman catholics do stupid.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/30/2009 1:13:41 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > And here is exactly where their type of insanity ultimately leads -
> did you
> > > > > read this story? Teri will undoubtedly say this girl was 'begging'
> for it,
> > > > > right, Teri?
> > > > >
> > > > > NOVEMBER 1, 2008 4:30PM
> > > > > 13 Year Old Girl Confirmed Dead
> > > > > [Tip!]
> > > > >
> > > > > Kicking and screaming in terror, the girl was carried into the
> stadium. 1
> > > > > 000 onlookers watched as her hands and legs were forcefully bound.
> > > > > When anguished family members broke from the crowd and ran towards
> her, the
> > > > > militia opened fire. A small boy was killed.
> > > > > 13 year old Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was buried up to her neck and a
> cape was
> > > > > placed over her head, leaving only her face exposed. 50 men hurled
> stones
> > > > > at
> > > > > her face from the truckload unloaded earlier that day.
> > > > > Her crime was being raped by 3 men. When she reported the rape to
> the
> > > > > militia who control Kismayo, Somalia, she was charged with
> fornication
> > > > > (adultery) and sentenced to death by stoning. At 13.
> > > > > Her father told Amnesty International the act of reporting the crime
> > > > > resulted in her accusation..
> > > > > "She officially confirmed her guilt" Sheikh Hayakalah, the Sharia
> court
> > > > > judge, said in remarks broadcast on Radio Shabelle.
> > > > > According to onlookers, 3 times nurses were instructed to check
> whether she
> > > > > was still alive. They pulled the teen from the ground, declared she
> was
> > > > > still alive and put her back in the hole for the stoning to continue
>
> > > > > David Copeman of Amnesty International said "This was not justice,
> nor was
> > > > > it an execution. This child suffered a horrendous death..."
> > > > > None of men who raped her were arrested.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reference Links:
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 7:13:47 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > That's right, JohnKnight's favourite pastime - stoning people -
> aided and
> > > > > abetted by peon Terry.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB <debunks@sbcglobal. net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:20:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > He sure would - I can see terry and knight right now, too -
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 5:26:57 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > And he would enjoy butchering Catholics again!
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB <debunks@sbcglobal. net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:05:49 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > Read how your pagan ancestors butchered Catholics in the apostolic
> age-
> > > > >
> > > > > Blandina and Perpetua
> > > > >
> > > > > "Suffer me to become food for the wild beasts, through whose
> > > > > instrumentality
> > > > > it will be granted me to attain to God. I am the wheat of God, and
> let me
> > > > > be
> > > > > ground by the teeth of the wild beasts, that I may be found the pure
> bread
> > > > > of Christ."
> > > > > Ignatius, Epistle to the Romans (IV.1)
> > > > > The martyrdom of Blandina is presented in the Historia Ecclesiastica
> of
> > > > > Eusebius (V.1), who quotes from a letter written by the Christian
> > > > > communities in Lyon and Vienne, recounting the persecutions that had
> > > > > occurred there in the summer of AD 177. There was a xenophobic
> prejudice
> > > > > against the Christians of these Gallic towns, many of whom were
> immigrants
> > > > > from Asia Minor. Prohibited from appearing in public places and
> > > > > increasingly
> > > > > subject to abuse and imprisonment, the Christians of Lyon eventually
> were
> > > > > arrested.
> > > > > Interrogated in the forum by the provincial governor, those who
> professed
> > > > > to
> > > > > being Christians and did not save themselves by renouncing their
> faith were
> > > > > horribly tortured and condemned to the beasts of the amphitheater,
> being
> > > > > made all day long a spectacle to the world in place of the
> gladiatorial
> > > > > contest in its many forms" (V.1.40). Blandina, a slave girl, was the
> last
> > > > > to
> > > > > die. Hung from a post, she was exposed to wild animals, but they
> would not
> > > > > attack. Repeatedly tortured ("the heathen themselves admitted that
> never
> > > > > yet
> > > > > had they known a woman suffer so much or so long," V.1.56), she
> eventually
> > > > > was ensnared in a net and trampled beneath the feet of a bull. Her
> body,
> > > > > and
> > > > > those of others who had been martyred, was left unburied, guarded by
> > > > > soldiers. After six days, the remains were burnt and the ashes cast
> into
> > > > > the
> > > > > Rhône.
> > > > > The archetype of all later acts of Christian martyrs is that
> Perpetua, a
> > > > > well-born women of Carthage, whose passion (passio) is told by
> Tertullian.
> > > > > Arrested and put in prison, where she was baptized and gave birth,
> she kept
> > > > > a diary. "A few days later we were lodged in the prison; and I was
> > > > > terrified
> > > > > as I had never been in such a dark hole.. What a difficult time it
> was! With
> > > > > the crowd the heat was stifling; then there was the extortion of the
> > > > > soldiers; and to crown all, I was tortured with worry for my baby
> there" (I
> > > > > 2). The night before she was to die in the arena, she dreamed that
> she
> > > > > fought a diabolic Egyptian and defeated him before Christ, her
> heavenly
> > > > > trainer (lanista), walking victorious through the Porta Sanavivaria
> (Gate
> > > > > of
> > > > > Life). Martyrs often were idealized as combatants, the spectacle of
> the
> > > > > arena transposed to the struggle with Satan, imagery which Eusebius,
> > > > > himself
> > > > > uses in speaking of Blandina: "A small, weak, despised woman, who
> had put
> > > > > on Christ, the great invincible champion, and in bout after bout had
> > > > > defeated her adversary and through conflict had won the crown of
> > > > > immortality
> > > > > "
> > > > > Perpetua awoke, knowing that she would triumph the next day. "So
> much for
> > > > > what I did up until the eve of the contest," she writes. "About what
> > > > > happened at the contest itself, let him write of it who will" (III
> 2).
> > > > > Indeed, the events of that day were witnessed and recorded. As an
> > > > > additional
> > > > > humiliation, Perpetua and her maid-servant Felicitas were to be
> dressed as
> > > > > the priestesses of Ceres, which they refused to do. Like Blandina,
> they
> > > > > then
> > > > > were placed in nets to be trampled to death. In her passion,
> Perpetua did
> > > > > not even realize her ordeal until she saw that her tunic had been
> torn and
> > > > > the marks on her body. Later, in the center of the arena, she waited
> with
> > > > > the others for the thrust of the sword and "took the trembling hand
> of the
> > > > > young gladiator and guided it to her throat" (VI.4).
> > > > > Perpetua died in March AD 203 as part of the birthday celebration of
> Geta,
> > > > > the younger son of Septimius Severus. She was twenty-two years old,
> the
> > > > > same
> > > > > age as Geta when he was murdered by his brother.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Your blood is the key to Paradise."
> > > > > Tertullian, De Anima (LV.4-5)
> > > > > When another martyr, Attalus, was paraded in the arena of Lyon,
> preceded by
> > > > > a placard declaring him to be a Christian, it was discovered that he
> was a
> > > > > Roman citizen. Instructions were asked of the emperor Marcus
> Aurelius,
> > > > > which
> > > > > in due course, arrived. They essentially were the same as those of
> Trajan
> > > > > to Pliny the Younger, when he was governor of Bithynia in AD 112
> (Letters,
> > > > > X
> > > > > 96-97), complaining about the perverse obstinacy of the Christians:
> those
> > > > > who persisted in professing their faith were to be punished and
> those who
> > > > > recanted and worshiped the gods, pardoned. Trajan's other admonition
> that
> > > > > Christians were not be sought out, seems to have been ignored (cf.
> > > > > Tertullian, Apology, II, " forbidden to be sought, he was found").
> > > > > Accordingly, those Christians who were Roman citizens were beheaded
> and the
> > > > > rest condemned ad bestias, including Attalus.
> > > > > One is struck by the hatred of the people, who furiously had
> demanded
> > > > > Attalus by name. Certainly, the contumacious refusal to recant, even
> under
> > > > > torture, infuriated the populace, as well as the magistrates, who,
> says
> > > > > Origen, "are greatly distressed at seeing those who bear outrage and
> > > > > torture
> > > > > with patience, but are greatly elated when a Christian gives way
> under it"
> > > > > (Contra Celsus, VIII.44). To appreciate why, one must remember the
> stern
> > > > > admonition of Jesus that "whosoever shall deny me before men, him
> will I
> > > > > also deny before my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew, X.33).
> Marcus
> > > > > Aurelius, whose Meditations were written about this time, also was
> > > > > perturbed
> > > > > by such unreasonable stubbornness and regarded a readiness to die to
> come
> > > > > from judgment, "not out of sheer opposition like the Christians, but
> after
> > > > > reflection and with dignity, and so as to convince others, without
> > > > > histrionic display" (XI.3), a remark that may have been prompted by
> the
> > > > > events in Lyon.
> > > > > To honor the pagan gods was to expect their protection and avert the
> > > > > misfortunes, whether famine, disease, or drought, that might result
> from
> > > > > their neglect. It therefore seemed inexplicable to the inhabitants
> of Lyon
> > > > > that martyrs would die for their faith, especially since only a
> worshipful
> > > > > gesture of honor and conformity to tradition was all that was
> required of
> > > > > them. "'Where is their god? and what did they get for their religion
> which
> > > > > they preferred to their own lives?'" (V.1.60). Nor was death, itself
>
> > > > > sufficient. The bodies of the Christians were denied burial, so "
> that they
> > > > > may have no hope of resurrection- -the belief that has led them to
> bring
> > > > > into this country a new foreign cult and treat torture with contempt
> going
> > > > > willingly and cheerfully to their death. Now let's see if they'll
> rise
> > > > > again
> > > > > and if their god can help them and save them from our hands'" (V.1
> 63).
> > > > > Indeed, the very purpose of being sent into the arena to be devoured
> by
> > > > > beasts or to be burned alive or even to be left on a cross for
> scavengers
> > > > > was to ensure the complete annihilation of the victim.
> > > > >
> > > > > The picture is The Christian Martyrs' Last Prayer (1883) by
> Jean-Léon
> > > > > Gérôme
> > > > > the figures smeared in pitch and being set afire calling to mind the
> > > > > cruelty of Nero, who set Christians alight in his gardens to serve
> as human
> > > > > torches. The wrapping, itself, was known as tunica molesta (Juvenal,
> VIII
> > > > > 235; Martial, X.25.5; Seneca, Epistles, XIV.5).
> > > > >
> > > > > References: Eusebius: The History of the Church (1965) translated by
> G. A.
> > > > > Williamson; The Acts of the Christian Martyrs (1972) by Herbert
> Musurillo;
> > > > > Pagans and Christians (1986) by Robin Lane Fox; Martyrdom and
> Persecution
> > > > > in
> > > > > the Early Church (1967) by W. H. C. Frend; Pliny: Pliny the Younger:
> > > > > Letters
> > > > > and Panegyricus (1969) translated by Betty Radice (Loeb Classical
> Library);
> > > > > The Ante-Nicene Fathers: Translations of the Writings of the Fathers
> Down
> > > > > to
> > > > > A.D. 325 (1885-1896) translated and edited by the Rev. Alexander
> Roberts
> > > > > and
> > > > > James Donaldson; The Meditations of the Emperor Marcus Antoninus
> (1944)
> > > > > translated by A. S. L. Farquharson; A Select Library of Nicene and
> > > > > Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church, Series II (1890-1896)
> edited
> > > > > by
> > > > > by Philip Schaff and Henry Wace; The Oxford Dictionary of the
> Christian
> > > > > Church (1997) edited by E. A. Livingstone.
> > > > > Return to Top of Page
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 4:45:11 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesus Christ, and You can't do that by being a roman catholic.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 6:38:29 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides the pagan antichrist Talmudist John Knight, whom do you
> worship,
> > > > > Teri?
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 3:35:33 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Just your opinion, Terry.
> > > > >
> > > > > it has no value.
> > > > >
> > > > > Proof, please.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:50:13 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > You have never proven anything except that you are in the biggest
> religious
> > > > > cult in the world today, and that you don't have eternal life.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 4:36:12 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts [1 Attachment]
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a very nice and instructive power point presentation which I
> think
> > > > > most will enjoy.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 12:50:55 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > That may be your opinion, erroneous as ever, but we're not
> interested in
> > > > > your diseased mind's opinion.
> > > > > If you make a statement, you must back it up with proof.
> > > > > Saying "I have already proven...." means nothing unless you show us
> the
> > > > > proof
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:37:21 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > Prove it. I have already proven that the roman catholic church is
> > > > > debauchery
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 1:41:37 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > We have already proved that Terry is dead wrong on a number of silly
> > > > > beliefs
> > > > > he posted during these exchanges, and now it seems we shall have to
> prove
> > > > > him dead wrong again in respect to his comments re the Talmud and
> Judaism.
> > > > > I'll get working on that one soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 7:39:07 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, indeed you do, Terry.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:54:49 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > You continue to support the Talmud and Judaism.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/28/2009 10:59:27 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. . com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, at least now our puppet pal isn't trying to claim Mary is
> based upon
> > > > > Ishtar or Isis, etc. That's a step in the right direction. The
> problem
> > > > > with some of these proddies is that they all repeat the same old
> hoary
> > > > > misconceptions about Catholicism that they have been carefully
> spoon-fed
> > > > > since infancy. When they are forced to examine the true facts, their
> belief
> > > > > system crumbles and all that is left is mindless hate. And that
> about sums
> > > > > up CI - AND Talmudic Judaism.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/26/2009 6:39:04 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. . com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Joseph, it's a waste of time trying to reason with Terry.
> > > > >
> > > > > He has no reasoning powers. He merely parrots the same tired old
> phrases,
> > > > > which is all that he understands. He has no comprehension of
> anything
> > > > > sensible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry has a childish grasp on that which comforts him. He can't
> agree with
> > > > > the truth that we offer him, because then he would have to face the
> > > > > devastating fact that he has committed spiritual suicide by leaving
> the
> > > > > Catholic Church. He is in a desperate situation and must continually
> close
> > > > > his eyes to the truth, much like the bird with its head in the sands
> He is
> > > > > on shaky ground and it will collapse and swallow him up.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:53:07 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > You worship the same goddesses. You have made Mary a goddess.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/26/2009 12:03:00 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's get back to Babylon. You keep saying, quite ignorantly, that
> the
> > > > > Catholic Church is pagan - even though it is monotheistic and
> founded by
> > > > > Christ - anyway, all that aside for the moment - you keep INSISTING
> that
> > > > > the
> > > > > Church is the Whore of Babylon and that the Church and the
> Babylonian
> > > > > Religion are one and the same. So, take your time and read through
> the
> > > > > following - select and choose anything you like from it - and
> demonstrate
> > > > > to
> > > > > us where you find similarities between what WE post here and the
> ancient
> > > > > Babylonian religion. Go ahead. Knock yourself out-
> > > > >
> > > > > THE RELIGION OF
> > > > > BABYLONIA AND ASSYRIA
> > > > >
> > > > > BY
> > > > >
> > > > > THEOPHILUS G. PINCHES, LL.D.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lecturer in Assyrian at University College, London,
> > > > > Author of "The Old Testament in the Light of the
> > > > > Records of Assyria and Babylonia"; "The Bronze
> > > > > Ornaments of the Palace Gates of Balewat" etc. etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > PREPARER'S NOTE
> > > > >
> > > > > The original text contains a number of characters that are not
> > > > > available even in 8-bit Windows text, such as H with a breve below
> > > > > it in Hammurabi, S with a breve, S and T with a dot below them, U
> > > > > with macron, and superscript M in Tašmêtum. These have been left
> > > > > in the e-text as the base letter.
> > > > >
> > > > > The 8-bit version of this text includes Windows font characters
> > > > > like S with a caron above it (pronounced /sh/) as in Šamaš, etc.
> > > > > These may be lost in 7-bit versions of the text, or when viewed
> > > > > with different fonts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greek text has been transliterated within brackets "{}" using an
> > > > > Oxford English Dictionary alphabet table. Diacritical marks have
> > > > > been lost.
> > > > >
> > > > > THE RELIGION OF THE
> > > > > BABYLONIANS AND ASSYRIANS
> > > > >
> > > > > CHAPTER I
> > > > >
> > > > > FOREWORD
> > > > >
> > > > > Position, and Period.
> > > > >
> > > > > The religion of the Babylonians and Assyrians was the polytheistic
> > > > > faith professed by the peoples inhabiting the Tigris and Euphrates
> > > > > valleys from what may be regarded as the dawn of history until the
> > > > > Christian era began, or, at least, until the inhabitants were
> brought
> > > > > under the influence of Christianity. The chronological period
> covered
> > > > > may be roughly estimated at about 5000 years. The belief of the
> > > > > people, at the end of that time, being Babylonian heathenism
> leavened
> > > > > with Judaism, the country was probably ripe for the reception of the
> > > > > new faith. Christianity, however, by no means replaced the earlier
> > > > > polytheism, as is evidenced by the fact, that the worship of Nebo
> and
> > > > > the gods associated with him continued until the fourth century of
> the
> > > > > Christian era.
> > > > >
> > > > > By whom followed.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was the faith of two distinct peoples--the Sumero-Akkadians, and
> > > > > the Assyro-Babylonians. In what country it had its beginnings is
> > > > > unknown--it comes before us, even at the earliest period, as a faith
> > > > > already well-developed, and from that fact, as well as from the
> names
> > > > > of the numerous deities, it is clear that it began with the former
> > > > > race--the Sumero-Akkadians- -who spoke a non-Semitic language
> largely
> > > > > affected by phonetic decay, and in which the grammatical forms had
> in
> > > > > certain cases become confused to such an extent that those who study
> > > > > it ask themselves whether the people who spoke it were able to
> > > > > understand each other without recourse to devices such as the "tones
>
> > > > > to which the Chinese resort. With few exceptions, the names of the
> > > > > gods which the inscriptions reveal to us are all derived from this
> > > > > non-Semitic language, which furnishes us with satisfactory
> etymologies
> > > > > for such names as Merodach, Nergal, Sin, and the divinities
> mentioned
> > > > > in Berosus and Damascius, as well as those of hundreds of deities
> > > > > revealed to us by the tablets and slabs of Babylonia and Assyria.
> > > > >
> > > > > The documents.
> > > > >
> > > > > Outside the inscriptions of Babylonia and Assyria, there is but
> little
> > > > > bearing upon the religion of those countries, the most important
> > > > > fragment being the extracts from Berosus and Damascius referred to
> > > > > above. Among the Babylonian and Assyrian remains, however, we have
> an
> > > > > extensive and valuable mass of material, dating from the fourth or
> > > > > fifth millennium before Christ until the disappearance of the
> > > > > Babylonian system of writing about the beginning of the Christian
> era.
> > > > > The earlier inscriptions are mostly of the nature of records, and
> give
> > > > > information about the deities and the religion of the people in the
> > > > > course of descriptions of the building and rebuilding of temples,
> the
> > > > > making of offerings, the performance of ceremonies, etc.. Purely
> > > > > religious inscriptions are found near the end of the third
> millennium
> > > > > before Christ, and occur in considerable numbers, either in the
> > > > > original Sumerian text, or in translations, or both, until about the
> > > > > third century before Christ. Among the more recent inscriptions-
> -those
> > > > > from the library of the Assyrian king Aššur-bani-âpli and the
> later
> > > > > Babylonian temple archives,--there are many lists of deities, with
> > > > > numerous identifications with each other and with the heavenly
> bodies,
> > > > > and explanations of their natures. It is needless to say that all
> this
> > > > > material is of enormous value for the study of the religion of the
> > > > > Babylonians and Assyrians, and enables us to reconstruct at first
> hand
> > > > > their mythological system, and note the changes which took place in
> > > > > the course of their long national existence. Many interesting and
> > > > > entertaining legends illustrate and supplement the information given
> > > > > by the bilingual lists of gods, the bilingual incantations and hymns
>
> > > > > and the references contained in the historical and other documents..
> A
> > > > > trilingual list of gods enables us also to recognise, in some cases,
> > > > > the dialectic forms of their names.
> > > > >
> > > > > The importance of the subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of equal antiquity with the religion of Egypt, that of Babylonia and
> > > > > Assyria possesses some marked differences as to its development.
> > > > > Beginning among the non-Semitic Sumero-Akkadian population, it
> > > > > maintained for a long time its uninterrupted development, affected
> > > > > mainly by influences from within, namely, the homogeneous local
> cults
> > > > > which acted and reacted upon each other. The religious systems of
> > > > > other nations did not greatly affect the development of the early
> > > > > non-Semitic religious system of Babylonia. A time at last came,
> > > > > however, when the influence of the Semitic inhabitants of Babylonia
> > > > > and Assyria was not to be gainsaid, and from that moment, the
> > > > > development of their religion took another turn. In all probably
> this
> > > > > augmentation of Semitic religious influence was due to the increased
> > > > > numbers of the Semitic population, and at the same period the
> Sumero-
> > > > > Akkadian language began to give way to the Semitic idiom which they
> > > > > spoke. When at last the Semitic Babylonian language came to be used
> > > > > for official documents, we find that, although the non-Semitic
> divine
> > > > > names are in the main preserved, a certain number of them have been
> > > > > displaced by the Semitic equivalent names, such as Šamaš for the
> > > > > sun-god, with Kittu and Mêšaru ("justice and righteousness" ) his
> > > > > attendants; Nabú ("the teacher" = Nebo) with his consort Tašmêtu
> ("the
> > > > > hearer"); Addu, Adad, or Dadu, and Rammanu, Ramimu, or Ragimu =
> Hadad
> > > > > or Rimmon ("the thunderer"); Bêl and Bêltu (Beltis = "the lord"
> and
> > > > > "the lady" /par excellence/) , with some others of inferior rank. In
> > > > > place of the chief divinity of each state at the head of each
> separate
> > > > > pantheon, the tendency was to make Merodach, the god of the capital
> > > > > city Babylon, the head of the pantheon, and he seems to have been
> > > > > universally accepted in Babylonia, like Aššur in Assyria, about
> 2000
> > > > > B.C. or earlier.
> > > > >
> > > > > The uniting of two pantheons.
> > > > >
> > > > > We thus find two pantheons, the Sumero-Akkadian with its many gods,
> > > > > and the Semitic Babylonian with its comparatively few, united, and
> > > > > forming one apparently homogeneous whole. But the creed had taken a
> > > > > fresh tendency. It was no longer a series of small, and to a certain
> > > > > extent antagonistic, pantheons composed of the chief god, his
> consort,
> > > > > attendants, children, and servants, but a pantheon of considerable
> > > > > extent, containing all the elements of the primitive but smaller
> > > > > pantheons, with a number of great gods who had raised Merodach to be
> > > > > their king.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Assyria.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whilst accepting the religion of Babylonia, Assyria nevertheless
> kept
> > > > > herself distinct from her southern neighbour by a very simple device
>
> > > > > by placing at the head of the pantheon the god Aššur, who became
> for
> > > > > her the chief of the gods, and at the same time the emblem of her
> > > > > distinct national aspirations- -for Assyria had no intention
> whatever
> > > > > of casting in her lot with her southern neighbour. Nevertheless,
> > > > > Assyria possessed, along with the language of Babylonia, all the
> > > > > literature of that country--indeed, it is from the libraries of her
> > > > > kings that we obtain the best copies of the Babylonian religious
> > > > > texts, treasured and preserved by her with all the veneration of
> which
> > > > > her religious mind was capable,--and the religious fervour of the
> > > > > Oriental in most cases leaves that of the European, or at least of
> the
> > > > > ordinary Briton, far behind.
> > > > >
> > > > > The later period in Assyria.
> > > > >
> > > > > Assyria went to her downfall at the end of the seventh century
> before
> > > > > Christ worshipping her national god Aššur, whose cult did not
> cease
> > > > > with the destruction of her national independence. In fact, the city
> > > > > of Aššur, the centre of that worship, continued to exist for a
> > > > > considerable period; but for the history of the religion of Assyria,
> > > > > as preserved there, we wait for the result of the excavations being
> > > > > carried on by the Germans, should they be fortunate enough to obtain
> > > > > texts belonging to the period following the fall of Nineveh.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Babylonia.
> > > > >
> > > > > Babylonia, on the other hand, continued the even tenor of her way.
> > > > > More successful at the end of her independent political career than
> > > > > her northern rival had been, she retained her faith, and remained
> the
> > > > > unswerving worshipper of Merodach, the great god of Babylon, to whom
> > > > > her priests attributed yet greater powers, and with whom all the
> other
> > > > > gods were to all appearance identified. This tendency to monotheism,
> > > > > however, never reached the culminating point--never became
> absolute--
> > > > > except, naturally, in the minds of those who, dissociating
> themselves,
> > > > > for philosophical reasons, from the superstitious teaching of the
> > > > > priests of Babylonia, decided for themselves that there was but one
> > > > > God, and worshipped Him. That orthodox Jews at that period may have
> > > > > found, in consequence of this monotheistic tendency, converts, is
> not
> > > > > by any means improbable-- indeed, the names met with during the
> later
> > > > > period imply that converts to Judaism were made.
> > > > >
> > > > > The picture presented by the study.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thus we see, from the various inscriptions, both Babylonian and
> > > > > Assyrian--the former of an extremely early period--the growth and
> > > > > development, with at least one branching off, of one of the most
> > > > > important religious systems of the ancient world. It is not so
> > > > > important for modern religion as the development of the beliefs of
> the
> > > > > Hebrews, but as the creed of the people from which the Hebrew nation
> > > > > sprang, and from which, therefore, it had its beginnings, both
> > > > > corporeal and spiritual, it is such as no student of modern
> religious
> > > > > systems can afford to neglect. Its legends, and therefore its
> > > > > teachings, as will be seen in these pages, ultimately permeated the
> > > > > Semitic West, and may in some cases even had penetrated Europe, not
> > > > > only through heathen Greece, but also through the early Christians,
> > > > > who, being so many centuries nearer the time of the
> > > > > Assyro-Babylonians, and also nearer the territory which they
> anciently
> > > > > occupied, than we are, were far better acquainted than the people of
> > > > > the present day with the legends and ideas which they possessed.
> > > > >
> > > > > CHAPTER II
> > > > >
> > > > > THE RELIGION OF THE BABYLONIANS AND ASSYRIANS
> > > > >
> > > > > The Sumero-Akkadians and the Semites.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the history of the development of the religion of the
> Babylonians
> > > > > and Assyrians much naturally depends upon the composition of the
> > > > > population of early Babylonia. There is hardly any doubt that the
> > > > > Sumero-Akkadians were non-Semites of a fairly pure race, but the
> > > > > country of their origin is still unknown, though a certain
> > > > > relationship with the Mongolian and Turkish nationalities, probably
> > > > > reaching back many centuries--perhaps thousands of years--before the
> > > > > earliest accepted date, may be regarded as equally likely. Equally
> > > > > uncertain is the date of the entry of the Semites, whose language
> > > > > ultimately displaced the non-Semitic Sumero-Akkadian idioms, and
> > > > > whose kings finally ruled over the land. During the third millennium
> > > > > before Christ Semites, bearing Semitic names, and called Amorites,
> > > > > appear, and probably formed the last considerable stratum of tribes
> of
> > > > > that race which entered the land. The name Martu, the
> Sumero-Akkadian
> > > > > equivalent of Amurru, "Amorite", is of frequent occurrence also
> before
> > > > > this period. The eastern Mediterranean coast district, including
> > > > > Palestine and the neighbouring tracts, was known by the Babylonians
> > > > > and Assyrians as the land of the Amorites, a term which stood for
> the
> > > > > West in general even when these regions no longer bore that name.
> The
> > > > > Babylonians maintained their claim to sovereignty over that part as
> > > > > long as they possessed the power to do so, and naturally exercised
> > > > > considerable influence there. The existence in Palestine, Syria, and
> > > > > the neighbouring states, of creeds containing the names of many
> > > > > Babylonian divinities is therefore not to be wondered at, and the
> > > > > presence of West Semitic divinities in the religion of the
> Babylonians
> > > > > need not cause us any surprise.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Babylonian script and its evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > In consequence of the determinative prefix for a god or a goddess
> > > > > being, in the oldest form, a picture of an eight-rayed star, it has
> > > > > been assumed that Assyro-Babylonian mythology is, either wholly or
> > > > > partly, astral in origin. This, however, is by no means certain, the
> > > > > character for "star" in the inscriptions being a combination of
> three
> > > > > such pictures, and not a single sign. The probability therefore is,
> > > > > that the use of the single star to indicate the name of a divinity
> > > > > arises merely from the fact that the character in question stands
> for
> > > > > /ana/, "heaven." Deities were evidently thus distinguished by the
> > > > > Babylonians because they regarded them as inhabitants of the realms
> > > > > above--indeed, the heavens being the place where the stars are seen,
> a
> > > > > picture of a star was the only way of indicating heavenly things.
> That
> > > > > the gods of the Babylonians were in many cases identified with the
> > > > > stars and planets is certain, but these identifications seem to have
> > > > > taken place at a comparatively late date. An exception has naturally
> > > > > to be made in the case of the sun and moon, but the god Merodach, if
> > > > > he be, as seems certain, a deified Babylonian king, must have been
> > > > > identified with the stars which bear his name after his worshippers
> > > > > began to pay him divine honours as the supreme deity, and naturally
> > > > > what is true for him may also be so for the other gods whom they
> > > > > worshipped. The identification of some of the deities with stars or
> > > > > planets is, moreover, impossible, and if Ã� a, the god of the deep,
> and
> > > > > Anu, the god of the heavens, have their representatives among the
> > > > > heavenly bodies, this is probably the result of later development.
> [*]
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] If there be any historical foundation for the statement that
> > > > > Merodach arranged the sun, the moon, the planets, and the stars,
> > > > > assigning to them their proper places and duties--a tradition
> > > > > which would make him the founder of the science of astronomy
> > > > > during his life upon earth--this, too, would tend to the
> > > > > probability that the origin of the gods of the Babylonians was not
> > > > > astral, as has been suggested, but that their identification with
> > > > > the heavenly bodies was introduced during the period of his reign.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ancestor and hero-worship. The deification of kings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Though there is no proof that ancestor-worship in general prevailed
> at
> > > > > any time in Babylonia, it would seem that the worship of heroes and
> > > > > prominent men was common, at least in early times. The tenth chapter
> > > > > of Genesis tells us of the story of Nimrod, who cannot be any other
> > > > > than the Merodach of the Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions; and other
> > > > > examples, occurring in semi-mythological times, are /En-we-dur-an-
> ki/,
> > > > > the Greek Edoreschos, and /Gilgameš/, the Greek Gilgamos, though
> > > > > Aelian's story of the latter does not fit in with the account as
> given
> > > > > by the inscriptions. In later times, the divine prefix is found
> before
> > > > > the names of many a Babylonian ruler--Sargon of Agadé,[*] Dungi of
> Ur
> > > > > (about 2500 B.C.), Rim-Sin or Eri-Aku (Arioch of Ellasar, about 2100
> > > > > B.C.), and others. It was doubtless a kind of flattery to deify and
> > > > > pay these rulers divine honours during their lifetime, and on
> account
> > > > > of this, it is very probable that their godhood was utterly
> forgotten,
> > > > > in the case of those who were strictly historical, after their death
>
> > > > > The deification of the kings of Babylonia and Assyria is probably
> due
> > > > > to the fact, that they were regarded as the representatives of God
> > > > > upon earth, and being his chief priests as well as his offspring
> (the
> > > > > personal names show that it was a common thing to regard children as
> > > > > the gifts of the gods whom their father worshipped), the divine
> > > > > fatherhood thus attributed to them naturally could, in the case of
> > > > > those of royal rank, give them a real claim to divine birth and
> > > > > honours. An exception is the deification of the Babylonian Noah,
> > > > > Ut-napištim, who, as the legend of the Flood relates, was raised
> and
> > > > > made one of the gods by Aa or Ea, for his faithfulness after the
> great
> > > > > catastrophe, when he and his wife were translated to the "remote
> place
> > > > > at the mouth of the rivers." The hero Gilgameš, on the other hand,
> was
> > > > > half divine by birth, though it is not exactly known through whom
> his
> > > > > divinity came.
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] According to Nabonidus's date 3800 B.C., though many
> > > > > Assyriologists regard this as being a millennium too early.
> > > > >
> > > > > The earliest form of the Babylonian religion.
> > > > >
> > > > > The state of development to which the religious system of the
> > > > > Babylonians had attained at the earliest period to which the
> > > > > inscriptions refer naturally precludes the possibility of a
> > > > > trustworthy history of its origin and early growth. There is no
> doubt,
> > > > > however, that it may be regarded as having reached the stage at
> which
> > > > > we find it in consequence of there being a number of states in
> ancient
> > > > > Babylonia (which was at that time like the Heptarchy in England)
> each
> > > > > possessing its own divinity--who, in its district, was regarded as
> > > > > supreme--with a number of lesser gods forming his court. It was the
> > > > > adding together of all these small pantheons which ultimately made
> > > > > that of Babylonia as a whole so exceedingly extensive. Thus the
> chief
> > > > > divinity of Babylon, as has already been stated, as Merodach; at
> > > > > Sippar and Larsa the sun-god Šamaš was worshipped; at Ur the
> moon-god
> > > > > Sin or Nannar; at Erech and Dêr the god of the heavens, Anu; at
> Muru,
> > > > > Ennigi, and Kakru, the god of the atmosphere, Hadad or Rimmon; at
> > > > > Ã� ridu, the god of the deep, Aa or Ã� a; at Niffur[*] the god Bel; at
> > > > > Cuthah the god of war, Nergal; at Dailem the god Uraš; at Kiš the
> god
> > > > > of battle, Zagaga; Lugal-Amarda, the king of Marad, as the city so
> > > > > called; at Opis Zakar, one of the gods of dreams; at Agadé, Nineveh
>
> > > > > and Arbela, Ištar, goddess of love and of war; Nina at the city
> Nina
> > > > > in Babylonia, etc. When the chief deities were masculine, they were
> > > > > naturally all identified with each other, just as the Greeks called
> > > > > the Babylonian Merodach by the name of Zeus; and as Zer-panîtum,
> the
> > > > > consort of Merodach, was identified with Juno, so the consorts,
> divine
> > > > > attendants, and children of each chief divinity, as far as they
> > > > > possessed them, could also be regarded as the same, though possibly
> > > > > distinct in their different attributes.
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] Noufar at present, according to the latest explorers. Layard
> > > > > (1856) has Niffer, Loftus (1857) Niffar. The native spelling is
> > > > > Noufer, due to the French system of phonetics.
> > > > >
> > > > > How the religion of the Babylonians developed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact that the rise of Merodach to the position of king of the
> gods
> > > > > was due to the attainment, by the city of Babylon, of the position
> of
> > > > > capital of all Babylonia, leads one to suspect that the kingly rank
> of
> > > > > his father Ã� a, at an earlier period, was due to a somewhat similar
> > > > > cause, and if so, the still earlier kingship of Anu, the god of the
> > > > > heavens, may be in like manner explained. This leads to the question
> > > > > whether the first state to attain to supremacy was Dêr, Anu's seat,
> > > > > and whether Dêr was succeeded by Ã� ridu, of which city Ã� a was the
> > > > > patron--concerning the importance of Babylon, Merodach's city, later
> > > > > on, there is no doubt whatever. The rise of Anu and Ã� a to divine
> > > > > overlordship, however, may not have been due to the political
> > > > > supremacy of the cities where they were worshipped-- it may have
> come
> > > > > about simply on account of renown gained through religious
> enthusiasm
> > > > > due to wonders said to have been performed where they were
> worshipped,
> > > > > or to the reported discovery of new records concerning their temples
>
> > > > > or to the influence of some renowned high-priest, like En-we-dur-an-
> ki
> > > > > of Sippar, whose devotion undoubtedly brought great renown to the
> city
> > > > > of his dominion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Was Animism its original form?
> > > > >
> > > > > But the question naturally arises, can we go back beyond the
> > > > > indications of the inscriptions? The Babylonians attributed life, in
> > > > > certain not very numerous cases, to such things as trees and plants,
> > > > > and naturally to the winds, and the heavenly bodies. Whether they
> > > > > regarded stones, rocks, mountains, storms, and rain in the same way,
> > > > > however, is doubtful, but it may be taken for granted, that the sea,
> > > > > with all its rivers and streams, was regarded as animated with the
> > > > > spirit of Ã� a and his children, whilst the great cities and
> > > > > temple-towers were pervaded with the spirit of the god whose abode
> > > > > they were. Innumerable good and evil spirits were believed in, such
> as
> > > > > the spirit of the mountain, the sea, the plain, and the grave. These
> > > > > spirits were of various kinds, and bore names which do not always
> > > > > reveal their real character--such as the /edimmu/, /utukku/,
> /šêdu/,
> > > > > /ašakku/ (spirit of fevers), /namtaru/ (spirit of fate), /âlû/
> > > > > (regarded as the spirit of the south wind), /gallu/, /rabisu/,
> > > > > /labartu/, /labasu/, /ahhazu/ (the seizer), /lilu/ and /lilithu/
> (male
> > > > > and female spirits of the mist), with their attendants.
> > > > >
> > > > > All this points to animism as the pervading idea of the worship of
> the
> > > > > peoples of the Babylonian states in the prehistoric period--the
> > > > > attribution of life to every appearance of nature... The question is,
> > > > > however, Is the evidence of the inscriptions sufficient to make this
> > > > > absolutely certain? It is hard to believe that such intelligent
> > > > > people, as the primitive Babylonians naturally were, believed that
> > > > > such things as stones, rocks, mountains, storms, and rain were, in
> > > > > themselves, and apart from the divinity which they regarded as
> > > > > presiding over them, living things. A stone might be a /bît îli/
> or
> > > > > bethel--a "house of god," and almost invested with the status of a
> > > > > living thing, but that does not prove that the Babylonians thought
> of
> > > > > every stone as being endowed with life, even in prehistoric times.
> > > > > Whilst, therefore, there are traces of a belief similar to that
> which
> > > > > an animistic creed might be regarded as possessing, it must be
> > > > > admitted that these seemingly animistic doctrines may have
> originated
> > > > > in another way, and be due to later developments. The power of the
> > > > > gods to create living things naturally makes possible the belief
> that
> > > > > they had also power to endow with a soul, and therefore with life
> and
> > > > > intelligence, any seemingly inanimate object. Such was probably the
> > > > > nature of Babylonian animism, if it may be so called. The legend of
> > > > > Tiawthu (Tiawath) may with great probability be regarded as the
> > > > > remains of a primitive animism which was the creed of the original
> and
> > > > > comparatively uncivilised Babylonians, who saw in the sea the
> producer
> > > > > and creator of all the monstrous shapes which are found therein; but
> > > > > any development of this idea in other directions was probably cut
> > > > > short by the priests, who must have realised, under the influence of
> > > > > the doctrine of the divine rise to perfection, that animism in
> general
> > > > > was altogether incompatible with the creed which they professed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Image-worship and Sacred Stones.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether image-worship was original among the Babylonians and
> Assyrians
> > > > > is uncertain, and improbable; the tendency among the people in early
> > > > > times being to venerate sacred stones and other inanimate objects.
> As
> > > > > has been already pointed out, the {diopetres} of the Greeks was
> > > > > probably a meteorite, and stones marking the position of the Semitic
> > > > > bethels were probably, in their origin, the same. The boulders which
> > > > > were sometimes used for boundary-stones may have been the
> > > > > representations of these meteorites in later times, and it is
> > > > > noteworthy that the Sumerian group for "iron," /an-bar/, implies
> that
> > > > > the early Babylonians only knew of that metal from meteoric
> ironstone.
> > > > > The name of the god Nirig or Ã� nu-rêštu (Ninip) is generally
> written
> > > > > with the same group, implying some kind of connection between the
> two
> > > > > --the god and the iron. In a well-known hymn to that deity certain
> > > > > stones are mentioned, one of them being described as the "poison-
> > > > > tooth"[*] coming forth on the mountain, recalling the sacred rocks
> at
> > > > > Jerusalem and Mecca. Boundary-stones in Babylonia were not sacred
> > > > > objects except in so far as they were sculptured with the signs of
> the
> > > > > gods.[†] With regard to the Babylonian bethels, very little can be
> > > > > said, their true nature being uncertain, and their number, to all
> > > > > appearance, small. Gifts were made to them, and from this fact it
> > > > > would seem that they were temples--true "houses of god," in fact--
> > > > > probably containing an image of the deity, rather than a stone
> similar
> > > > > to those referred to in the Old Testament.
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] So called, probably, not because it sent forth poison, but on
> > > > > account of its likeness to a serpent's fang.
> > > > >
> > > > > [†] Notwithstanding medical opinion, their phallic origin is
> doubtful.
> > > > > One is sculptured in the form of an Eastern castellated fortress.
> > > > >
> > > > > Idols.
> > > > >
> > > > > With the Babylonians, the gods were represented by means of stone
> > > > > images at a very early date, and it is possible that wood was also
> > > > > used. The tendency of the human mind being to attribute to the Deity
> a
> > > > > human form, the Babylonians were no exception to the rule. Human
> > > > > thoughts and feelings would naturally accompany the human form with
> > > > > which the minds of men endowed them. Whether the gross human
> passions
> > > > > attributed to the gods of Babylonia in Herodotus be of early date or
> > > > > not is uncertain--a late period, when the religion began to
> > > > > degenerate, would seem to be the more probable.
> > > > >
> > > > > The adoration of sacred objects.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is probable that objects belonging to or dedicated to deities
> were
> > > > > not originally worshipped-- they were held as divine in consequence
> of
> > > > > their being possessed or used by a deity, like the bow of Merodach,
> > > > > placed in the heavens as a constellation, etc. The cities where the
> > > > > gods dwelt on earth, their temples, their couches, the chariot of
> the
> > > > > sun in his temple-cities, and everything existing in connection with
> > > > > their worship, were in all probability regarded as divine simply in
> so
> > > > > far as they belonged to a god. Sacrifices offered to them, and
> > > > > invocations made to them, were in all likelihood regarded as having
> > > > > been made to the deity himself, the possessions of the divinity
> being,
> > > > > in the minds of the Babylonians, pervaded with his spirit. In the
> case
> > > > > of rivers, these were divine as being the children and offspring of
> > > > > Enki (Aa or Ã� a), the god of the ocean.
> > > > >
> > > > > Holy places.
> > > > >
> > > > > In a country which was originally divided into many small states,
> each
> > > > > having its own deities, and, to a certain extent, its own religious
> > > > > system, holy places were naturally numerous. As the spot where they
> > > > > placed Paradise, Babylonia was itself a holy place, but in all
> > > > > probability this idea is late, and only came into existence after
> the
> > > > > legends of the creation and the rise of Merodach to the kingship of
> > > > > heaven had become elaborated into one homogeneous whole.
> > > > >
> > > > > An interesting list.
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the most interesting documents referring to the holy places
> of
> > > > > Babylonia is a tiny tablet found at Nineveh, and preserved in the
> > > > > British Museum. This text begins with the word Tiawthu "the sea,"
> and
> > > > > goes on to enumerate, in turn, Tilmun (identified with the island of
> > > > > Bahrein in the Persian Gulf); Engurra (the Abyss, the abode of Enki
> or
> > > > > Ã� a), with numerous temples and shrines, including "the holy house,"
> > > > > "the temple of the seer of heaven and earth," "the abode of Zer-
> > > > > panîtum," consort of Merodach, "the throne of the holy place," "the
> > > > > temple of the region of Hades," "the supreme temple of life," "the
> > > > > temple of the ear of the corn-deity," with many others, the whole
> list
> > > > > containing what may be regarded as the chief sanctuaries of the land
>
> > > > > to the number of thirty-one. Numerous other similar and more
> extensive
> > > > > lists, enumerating every shrine and temple in the country, also
> exist,
> > > > > though in a very imperfect state, and in addition to these, many
> holy
> > > > > places are referred to in the bilingual, historical, and other
> > > > > inscriptions. All the great cities of Babylonia, moreover, were
> sacred
> > > > > places, the chief in renown and importance in later days being the
> > > > > great city of Babylon, where Ã� -sagila, "the temple of the high head
> "
> > > > > in which was apparently the shrine called "the temple of the
> > > > > foundation of heaven and earth," held the first place. This building
> > > > > is called by Nebuchadnezzar "the temple-tower of Babylon," and may
> > > > > better be regarded as the site of the Biblical "Tower of Babel" than
> > > > > the traditional foundation, Ã� -zida, "the everlasting temple," in
> > > > > Borsippa (the Birs Nimroud)--notwithst anding that Borsippa was
> called
> > > > > the "second Babylon," and its temple-tower "the supreme house of
> > > > > life."
> > > > >
> > > > > The Tower of Babel...
> > > > >
> > > > > Though quite close to Babylon, there is no doubt that Borsippa was a
> > > > > most important religious centre, and this leads to the possibility,
> > > > > that its great temple may have disputed with "the house of the high
> > > > > head," Ã� -sagila in Babylon, the honour of being the site of the
> > > > > confusion of tongues and the dispersion of mankind. There is no
> doubt,
> > > > > however, that Ã� -sagila has the prior claim, it being the temple of
> the
> > > > > supreme god of the later Babylonian pantheon, the counterpart of the
> > > > > God of the Hebrews who commanded the changing of the speech of the
> > > > > people assembled there... Supposing the confusion of tongues to have
> > > > > been a Babylonian legend as well as a Hebrew one (as is possible) it
> > > > > would be by command of Merodach rather than that of Nebo that such a
> > > > > thing would have taken place. Ã� -sagila, which is now the ruin known
> as
> > > > > the mount of Amran ibn Ali, is the celebrated temple of Belus which
> > > > > Alexander and Philip attempted to restore.
> > > > >
> > > > > In addition to the legend of the confusion of tongues, it is
> probable
> > > > > that there were many similar traditions attached to the great
> temples
> > > > > of Babylonia, and as time goes on, and the excavations bring more
> > > > > material, a large number of them will probably be recovered. Already
> > > > > we have an interesting and poetical record of the entry of Bel and
> > > > > Beltis into the great temple at Niffer, probably copied from some
> > > > > ancient source, and Gudea, a king of Lagaš (Telloh), who reigned
> about
> > > > > 2700 B.C., gives an account of the dream which he saw, in which he
> was
> > > > > instructed by the gods to build or rebuild the temple of Nin-Girsu
> in
> > > > > his capital city.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ã� -sagila according to Herodotus.
> > > > >
> > > > > As the chief fane in the land after Babylon became the capital, and
> > > > > the type of many similar erections, Ã� -sagila, the temple of Belus,
> > > > > merits just a short notice. According to Herodotus, it was a massive
> > > > > tower within an enclosure measuring 400 yards each way, and provided
> > > > > with gates of brass, or rather bronze. The tower within consisted of
> a
> > > > > kind of step-pyramid, the stages being seven in number (omitting the
> > > > > lowest, which was the platform forming the foundation of the
> > > > > structure). A winding ascent gave access to the top, where was a
> > > > > chapel or shrine, containing no statue, but regarded by the
> > > > > Babylonians as the abode of the god. Lower down was another shrine,
> in
> > > > > which was placed a great statue of Zeus (Bel-Merodach) sitting, with
> a
> > > > > large table before it. Both statue and table are said to have been
> of
> > > > > gold, as were also the throne and the steps. Outside the sanctuary
> (on
> > > > > the ramp, apparently) were two altars, one small and made of gold,
> > > > > whereon only unweaned lambs were sacrificed, and the other larger,
> for
> > > > > full-grown victims.
> > > > >
> > > > > A Babylonian description.
> > > > >
> > > > > In 1876 the well-known Assyriologist, Mr. George Smith, was
> fortunate
> > > > > enough to discover a Babylonian description of this temple, of which
> > > > > he published a /précis/. According to this document, there were two
> > > > > courts of considerable extent, the smaller within the
> larger--neither
> > > > > of them was square, but oblong. Six gates admitted to the
> temple-area
> > > > > surrounding the platform upon which the tower was built. The
> platform
> > > > > is stated to have been square and walled, with four gates facing the
> > > > > cardinal points. Within this wall was a building connected with the
> > > > > great /zikkurat/ or tower--the principal edifice--round which were
> > > > > chapels or temples to the principal gods, on all four sides, and
> > > > > facing the cardinal points--that to Nebo and Tašmît being on the
> east,
> > > > > to Aa or Ã� a and Nusku on the north, Anu and Bel on the south, and
> the
> > > > > series of buildings on the west, consisting of a double house--a
> small
> > > > > court between two wings, was evidently the shrine of Merodach
> (Belos).
> > > > > In these western chambers stood the couch of the god, and the golden
> > > > > throne mentioned by Herodotus, besides other furniture of great
> value.
> > > > > The couch was given as being 9 cubits long by 4 broad, about as many
> > > > > feet in each case, or rather more.
> > > > >
> > > > > The centre of these buildings was the great /zikkurat/, or temple-
> > > > > tower, square on its plan, and with the sides facing the cardinal
> > > > > points. The lowest stage was 15 /gar/ square by 5 1/2 high (Smith,
> 300
> > > > > feet by 110), and the wall, in accordance with the usual Babylonian
> > > > > custom, seems to have been ornamented with recessed groovings. The
> > > > > second stage was 13 /gar/ square by 3 in height (Smith, 260 by 60
> > > > > feet). He conjectured, from the expression used, that it had sloping
> > > > > sides. Stages three to five were each one /gar/ (Smith, 20 feet)
> high,
> > > > > and respectively 10 /gar/ (Smith, 200 feet), 8 1/2 /gar/ (170 feet),
> > > > > and 7 /gar/ (140 feet) square. The dimensions of the sixth stage are
> > > > > omitted, probably by accident, but Smith conjectures that they were
> in
> > > > > proportion to those which precede. His description omits also the
> > > > > dimensions of the seventh stage, but he gives those of the sanctuary
> > > > > of Belus, which was built upon it. This was 4 /gar/ long, 3 1/2
> /gar/
> > > > > broad, and 2 1/2 /gar/ high (Smith, 80 x 70 x 50 feet). He points
> out,
> > > > > that the total height was, therefore, 15 /gar/, the same as the
> > > > > dimensions of the base, i.e., the lowest platform, which would make
> > > > > the total height of this world-renowned building rather more than
> 300
> > > > > feet above the plains.
> > > > >
> > > > > Other temple-towers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Towers of a similar nature were to be found in all the great cities
> of
> > > > > Babylonia, and it is probable that in most cases slight differences
> of
> > > > > form were to be found. That at Niffer, for instance, seems to have
> had
> > > > > a causeway on each side, making four approaches in the form of a
> > > > > cross. But it was not every city which had a tower of seven stages
> in
> > > > > addition to the platform on which it was erected, and some of the
> > > > > smaller ones at least seem to have had sloping or rounded sides to
> the
> > > > > basement-portion, as is indicated by an Assyrian bas-relief.
> Naturally
> > > > > small temples, with hardly more than the rooms on the ground floor,
> > > > > were to be found, but these temple-towers were a speciality of the
> > > > > country.
> > > > >
> > > > > Their origin.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is some probability that, as indicated in the tenth chapter of
> > > > > Genesis, the desire in building these towers was to get nearer the
> > > > > Deity, or to the divine inhabitants of the heavens in general--it
> > > > > would be easier there to gain attention than on the surface of the
> > > > > earth. Then there was the belief, that the god to whom the place was
> > > > > dedicated would come down to such a sanctuary, which thus became, as
> > > > > it were, the stepping-stone between heaven and earth. Sacrifices
> were
> > > > > also offered at these temple-towers (whether on the highest point or
> > > > > not is not quite certain), in imitation of the Chaldæan Noah,
> > > > > Ut-napištim, who, on coming out of the ark, made an offering /ina
> > > > > zikkurat šadê/, "on the peak of the mountain," in which passage,
> it is
> > > > > to be noted, the word /zikkurat/ occurs with what is probably a more
> > > > > original meaning.
> > > > >
> > > > > CHAPTER III
> > > > >
> > > > > THE BABYLONIAN STORY OF THE CREATION
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the final development of the Babylonian creed. It has
> already
> > > > > been pointed out that the religion of the Babylonians in all
> > > > > probability had two stages before arriving at that in which the god
> > > > > Merodach occupied the position of chief of the pantheon, the two
> > > > > preceding heads having been, seemingly, Anu, the god of the heavens,
> > > > > and Ã� a or Aa, also called Enki, the god of the abyss and of deep
> > > > > wisdom. In order to show this, and at the same time to give an idea
> of
> > > > > their theory of the beginning of things, a short paraphrase of the
> > > > > contents of the seven tablets will be found in the following pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > An Embodiment of doctrine.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as our knowledge goes, the doctrines incorporated in this
> > > > > legend would seem to show the final official development of the
> > > > > beliefs held by the Babylonians, due, in all probability, to the
> > > > > priests of Babylon after that city became the capital of the
> federated
> > > > > states. Modifications of their creed probably took place, but
> nothing
> > > > > seriously affecting it, until after the abandonment of Babylon in
> the
> > > > > time of Seleucus Nicator, 300 B.C. or thereabouts, when the deity at
> > > > > the head of the pantheon seems not to have been Merodach, but
> Anu-Bêl.
> > > > > This legend is therefore the most important document bearing upon
> the
> > > > > beliefs of the Babylonians from the end of the third millennium B.C.
> > > > > until that time, and the philosophical ideas which it contains seem
> to
> > > > > have been held, in a more or less modified form, among the remnants
> > > > > who still retained the old Babylonian faith, until the sixth century
> > > > > of the present era, as the record by Damascius implies. Properly
> > > > > speaking, it is not a record of the creation, but the story of the
> > > > > fight between Bel and the Dragon, to which the account of the
> creation
> > > > > is prefixed by way of introduction.
> > > > >
> > > > > Water the first creator.
> > > > >
> > > > > The legend begins by stating that, when the heavens were unnamed and
> > > > > the earth bore no name, the primæval ocean was the producer of all
> > > > > things, and Mummu Tiawath (the sea) she who brought forth everything
> > > > > existing. Their waters (that is, of the primæval ocean and of the
> sea)
> > > > > were all united in one, and neither plains nor marshes were to be
> > > > > seen; the gods likewise did not exist, even in name, and the fates
> > > > > were undetermined- -nothing had been decided as to the future of
> > > > > things. Then arose the great gods. Lahmu and Lahame came first,
> > > > > followed, after a long period, by Anšar and Kišar, generally
> > > > > identified with the "host of heaven" and the "host of earth," these
> > > > > being the meanings of the component parts of their names. After a
> > > > > further long period of days, there came forth their son Anu, the god
> > > > > of the heavens.
> > > > >
> > > > > The gods.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here the narrative is defective, and is continued by Damascius in
> his
> > > > > /Doubts and Solutions of the First Principles/, in which he states
> > > > > that, after Anos (Anu), come Illinos (Ellila or Bel, "the lord" /par
> > > > > excellence/) and Aos (Aa, Ae, or Ã� a), the god of Eridu. Of Aos and
> > > > > Dauké (the Babylonian Aa and Damkina) is born, he says, a son
> called
> > > > > Belos (Bel-Merodach) , who, they (apparently the Babylonians) say,
> is
> > > > > the fabricator of the world--the creator.
> > > > >
> > > > > The designs against them.
> > > > >
> > > > > At this point Damascius ends his extract, and the Babylonian tablet
> > > > > also becomes extremely defective. The next deity to come into
> > > > > existence, however, would seem to have been Nudimmud, who was
> > > > > apparently the deity Aa or Ã� a (the god of the sea and of rivers) as
> > > > > the god of creation. Among the children of Tauthé (Tiawath)
> enumerated
> > > > > by Damascius is one named Moumis, who was evidently referred to in
> the
> > > > > document at that philosopher' s disposal. If this be correct, his
> name,
> > > > > under the form of Mummu, probably existed in one of the defective
> > > > > lines of the first portion of this legend--in any case, his name
> > > > > occurs later on, with those of Tiawath and Apsu (the Deep), his
> > > > > parents, and the three seem to be compared, to their disadvantage,
> > > > > with the progeny of Lahmu and Lahame, the gods on high. As the ways
> of
> > > > > these last were not those of Tiawath's brood, and Apsu complained
> that
> > > > > he had no peace by day nor rest by night on account of their
> > > > > proceedings, the three representatives of the chaotic deep, Tiawath,
> > > > > Apsu, and Mummu, discussed how they might get rid the beings who
> > > > > wished to rise to higher things. Mummu was apparently the prime
> mover
> > > > > in the plot, and the face of Apsu grew bright at the thought of the
> > > > > evil plan which they had devised against "the gods their sons." The
> > > > > inscription being very mutilated here, its full drift cannot be
> > > > > gathered, but from the complete portions which come later it would
> > > > > seem that Mummu's plan was not a remarkably cunning one, being
> simply
> > > > > to make war upon and destroy the gods of heaven.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tiawath's preparations.
> > > > >
> > > > > The preparations made for this were elaborate. Restlessly, day and
> > > > > night, the powers of evil raged and toiled, and assembled for the
> > > > > fight. 'Mother Hubur," as Tiawath is named in this passage, called
> her
> > > > > creative powers into action, and gave her followers irresistible
> > > > > weapons. She brought into being also various monsters--giant
> serpents,
> > > > > sharp of tooth, bearing stings, and with poison filling their bodies
> > > > > like blood; terrible dragons endowed with brilliance, and of
> enormous
> > > > > stature, reared on high, raging dogs, scorpion-men, fish-men, and
> many
> > > > > other terrible beings, were created and equipped, the whole being
> > > > > placed under the command of a deity named Kingu, whom she calls her
> > > > > "only husband," and to whom she delivers the tablets of fate, which
> > > > > conferred upon him the godhead of Anu (the heavens), and enabled
> their
> > > > > possessor to determine the gates among the gods her sons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kingu replaces Absu.
> > > > >
> > > > > The change in the narrative which comes in here suggests that this
> is
> > > > > the point at which two legends current in Babylonia were united.
> > > > > Henceforward we hear nothing more of Apsu, the begetter of all
> things,
> > > > > Tiawath's spouse, nor of Mummu, their son. In all probability there
> is
> > > > > good reason for this, and inscriptions will doubtless ultimately be
> > > > > found which will explain it, but until then it is only natural to
> > > > > suppose that two different legends have been pieced together to form
> a
> > > > > harmonious whole.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tiawath's aim.
> > > > >
> > > > > As will be gathered from the above, the story centres in the wish of
> > > > > the goddess of the powers of evil and her kindred to retain
> creation--
> > > > > the forming of all living things--in her own hands. As Tiawath means
> > > > > "the sea," and Apsu "the deep," it is probable that this is a kind
> of
> > > > > allegory personifying the productive power seen in the teeming life
> of
> > > > > the ocean, and typifying the strange and wonderful forms found
> > > > > therein, which were symbolical, to the Babylonian mind, of chaos and
> > > > > confusion, as well as of evil.
> > > > >
> > > > > The gods hear of the conspiracy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aa, or Ã� a, having learned of the plot of Tiawath and her followers
> > > > > against the gods of heaven, naturally became filled with anger, and
> > > > > went and told the whole to Anšar, his father, who in his turn gave
> way
> > > > > to his wrath, and uttered cries of the deepest grief... After
> > > > > considering what they would do, Anšar applied to his son Anu, "the
> > > > > mighty and brave," saying that, if he would only speak to her, the
> > > > > great dragon's anger would be assuaged, and her rage disappear. In
> > > > > obedience to this behest, Anu went to try his power with the monster
>
> > > > > but on beholding her snarling face, feared to approach her, and
> turned
> > > > > back. Nudimmud was next called upon to become the representative of
> > > > > the gods against their foe, but his success was as that of Anu, and
> it
> > > > > became needful to seek another champion.
> > > > >
> > > > > And choose Merodach as their champion.
> > > > >
> > > > > The choice fell upon Merodach, the Belus (Bel-Merodach) of Damascius
> s
> > > > > paraphrase, and at once met with an enthusiastic reception. The god
> > > > > asked simply that an "unchangeable command" might be given to him--
> > > > > that whatever he ordained should without fail come to pass, in order
> > > > > that he might destroy the common enemy. Invitations were sent to the
> > > > > gods asking them to a festival, where, having met together, they ate
> > > > > and drank, and "decided the fate" for Merodach their avenger,
> > > > > apparently meaning that he was decreed their defender in the
> conflict
> > > > > with Tiawath, and that the power of creating and annihilating by the
> > > > > word of his mouth was his. Honours were then conferred upon him;
> > > > > princely chambers were erected for him, wherein he sat as judge "in
> > > > > the presence of his fathers," and the rule over the whole universe
> was
> > > > > given to him. The testing of his newly acquired power followed. A
> > > > > garment was placed in their midst:
> > > > >
> > > > > "He spake with his mouth, and the garment was destroyed,
> > > > > He spake to it again, and the garment was reproduced."
> > > > >
> > > > > Merodach proclaimed king.
> > > > >
> > > > > On this proof of the reality of the powers conferred on him, all the
> > > > > gods shouted "Merodach is king!" and handed to him sceptre, throne,
> > > > > and insignia of royalty. An irresistible weapon, which should
> shatter
> > > > > all his enemies, was then given to him, and he armed himself also
> with
> > > > > spear or dart, bow, and quiver; lightning flashed before him, and
> > > > > flaming fire filled his body. Anu, the god of the heavens, had given
> > > > > him a great net, and this he set at the four cardinal points, in
> order
> > > > > that nothing of the dragon, when he had defeated her, should escape.
> > > > > Seven winds he then created to accompany him, and the great weapon
> > > > > called /Abubu/, "the Flood," completed his equipment. All being
> ready,
> > > > > he mounted his dreadful, irresistible chariot, to which four steeds
> > > > > were yoked--steeds unsparing, rushing forward, rapid in flight,
> their
> > > > > teeth full of venom, foam-covered, experienced in galloping,
> schooled
> > > > > in overthrowing. Being now ready for the fray, Merodach fared forth
> to
> > > > > meet Tiawath, accompanied by the fervent good wishes of "the gods
> his
> > > > > fathers."
> > > > >
> > > > > The fight with Tiawath.
> > > > >
> > > > > Advancing, he regarded Tiawath's retreat, but the sight of the enemy
> > > > > was so menacing that even the great Merodach (if we understand the
> > > > > text rightly) began to falter. This, however, was not for long, and
> > > > > the king of the gods stood before Tiawath, who, on her side,
> remained
> > > > > firm and undaunted. In a somewhat long speech, in which he
> reproaches
> > > > > Tiawath for her rebellion, he challenges her to battle, and the two
> > > > > meet in fiercest fight. To all appearance the type of all evil did
> not
> > > > > make use of honest weapons, but sought to overcome the king of the
> > > > > gods with incantations and charms. These, however, had not the
> > > > > slightest effect, for she found herself at once enclosed in Merodach
> s
> > > > > net, and on opening her mouth to resist and free herself, the evil
> > > > > wind, which Merodach had sent on before him, entered, so that she
> > > > > could not close her lips, and thus inflated, her heart was
> > > > > overpowered, and she became a prey to her conqueror. Having cut her
> > > > > asunder and taken out her heart, thus destroying her life, he threw
> > > > > her body down and stood thereon... Her followers then attempted to
> > > > > escape, but found themselves surrounded and unable to get forth.
> Like
> > > > > their mistress, they were thrown into the net, and sat in bonds,
> being
> > > > > afterwards shut up in prison. As for Kingu, he was raised up, bound,
> > > > > and delivered to be with Ugga, the god of death. The tablets of fate
>
> > > > > which Tiawath had delivered to Kingu, were taken from him by
> Merodach,
> > > > > who pressed his seal upon them, and placed them in his breast. The
> > > > > deity Anšar, who had been, as it would seem, deprived of his
> rightful
> > > > > power by Tiawath, received that power again on the death of the
> common
> > > > > foe, and Nudimmud "saw his desire upon his enemy."
> > > > >
> > > > > Tiawath's fate..
> > > > >
> > > > > The dismemberment of Tiawath then followed, and her veins having
> been
> > > > > cut through, the north wind was caused by the deity to carry her
> blood
> > > > > away into secret places, a statement which probably typifies the
> > > > > opening of obstructions which prevent the rivers flowing from the
> > > > > north from running into the southern seas, helped thereto by the
> north
> > > > > wind. Finally her body was divided, like "a /mašdê/-fish," into
> two
> > > > > parts, one of which was made into a covering for the heavens--the
> > > > > "waters above the firmament" of Genesis i. 7.
> > > > >
> > > > > Merodach orders the world anew.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then came the ordering of the universe anew. Having made a covering
> > > > > for the heavens with half the body of the defeated Dragon of Chaos,
> > > > > Merodach set the Abyss, the abode of Nudimmud, in front, and made a
> > > > > corresponding edifice above--the heavens--where he founded stations
> > > > > for the gods Anu, Bel, and Ae. Stations for the great gods in the
> > > > > likeness of constellations, together with what is regarded as the
> > > > > Zodiac, were his next work. He then designated the year, setting
> three
> > > > > constellations for each month, and made a station for Nibiru--
> > > > > Merodach's own star--as the overseer of all the lights in the
> > > > > firmament. He then caused the new moon, Nannaru, to shine, and made
> > > > > him the ruler of the night, indicating his phases, one of which was
> on
> > > > > the seventh day, and the other, a /šabattu/, or day of rest, in the
> > > > > middle of the month. Directions with regard to the moon's movements
> > > > > seem to follow, but the record is mutilated, and their real nature
> > > > > consequently doubtful. With regard to other works which were
> performed
> > > > > we have no information, as a gap prevents their being ascertained.
> > > > > Something, however, seems to have been done with Merodach's net--
> > > > > probably it was placed in the heavens as a constellation, as was his
> > > > > bow, to which several names were given. Later on, the winds were
> bound
> > > > > and assigned to their places, but the account of the arrangement of
> > > > > other things is mutilated and obscure, though it can be recognised
> > > > > that the details in this place were of considerable interest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The creation of man.
> > > > >
> > > > > To all appearance the gods, after he had ordered the universe and
> the
> > > > > things then existing, urged Merodach to further works of wonder.
> > > > > Taking up their suggestion, he considered what he should do, and
> then
> > > > > communicated to his father Ae his plan for the creation of man with
> > > > > his own blood, in order that the service and worship of the gods
> might
> > > > > be established. This portion is also unfortunately very imperfect,
> and
> > > > > the details of the carrying out of the plan are entirely wanting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Berosus' narrative fills the gap.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is noteworthy that this portion of the narrative has been
> preserved
> > > > > by Abydenus, George the Syncellus, and Eusebius, in their quotations
> > > > > from Berosus. According to this Chaldæan writer, there was a woman
> > > > > named Omoroca, or, in Chaldæan, Thalatth (apparently a mistake for
> > > > > Thauatth, i.e. Tiawath), whose name was equivalent to the Greek
> > > > > Thalassa, the sea. It was she who had in her charge all the strange
> > > > > creatures then existing. At this period, Belus (Bel-Merodach) came,
> > > > > and cut the woman asunder, forming out of one half the earth, and of
> > > > > the other the heavens, at the same time destroying all the creatures
> > > > > which were within her--all this being an allegory, for the whole
> > > > > universe consists of moisture, and creatures are constantly
> generated
> > > > > therein. The deity then cut off his own head, and the other gods
> mixed
> > > > > the blood, as it gushed out, with the earth, and from this men were
> > > > > formed. Hence it is that men are rational, and partake of divine
> > > > > knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > > A second creation.
> > > > >
> > > > > This Belsus, "who is called Zeus," divided the darkness, separated
> the
> > > > > heavens from the earth, and reduced the universe to order. The
> animals
> > > > > which had been created, however, not being able to bear the light,
> > > > > died. Belus then, seeing the void thus made, ordered one of the gods
> > > > > to take off his head, and mix the blood with the soil, forming other
> > > > > men and animals which should be able to bear the light. He also
> formed
> > > > > the stars, the sun, the moon, and the five planets. It would thus
> seem
> > > > > that there were two creations, the first having been a failure
> because
> > > > > Belus had not foreseen that it was needful to produce beings which
> > > > > should be able to bear the light. Whether this repetition was really
> > > > > in the Babylonian legend, or whether Berosus (or those who quote
> him)
> > > > > has merely inserted and united two varying accounts, will only be
> > > > > known when the cuneiform text is completed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The concluding tablet.
> > > > >
> > > > > The tablet of the fifty-one names completes the record of the
> tablets
> > > > > found at Nineveh and Babylon. In this Merodach receives the titles
> of
> > > > > all the other gods, thus identifying him with them, and leading to
> > > > > that tendency to monotheism of which something will be said later on
>
> > > > > In this text, which is written, like the rest of the legend, in
> > > > > poetical form, Merodach is repeatedly called /Tutu/, a mystic word
> > > > > meaning "creator," and "begetter," from the reduplicate root /tu/ or
> > > > > /utu/--which was to all appearances his name when it was desired to
> > > > > refer to him especially in that character. Noteworthy in this
> portion
> > > > > is the reference to Merodach's creation of mankind:--
> > > > >
> > > > > Line 25. "Tuto: Aga-azaga (the glorious crown)--may he make the
> crowns
> > > > > glorious.
> > > > > 26. The lord of the glorious incantation bringing the dead to
> > > > > life;
> > > > > 27. He who had mercy on the gods who had been overpowered;
> > > > > 28. Made heavy the yoke which he had laid on the gods who were
> > > > > his enemies,
> > > > > 29. (And) to redeem(?) them, created mankind.
> > > > > 30. 'The merciful one,' 'he with whom is salvation,'
> > > > > 31. May his word be established, and not forgotten,
> > > > > 32. In the mouth of the black-headed ones[*] whom his hands have
> > > > > made."
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] I...e. mankind.
> > > > >
> > > > > Man the redeemer.
> > > > >
> > > > > The phrase "to redeem them" is, in the original, /ana padi-šunu/,
> the
> > > > > verb being from /padû/, "to spare," "set free," and if this
> rendering
> > > > > be correct, as seems probable, the Babylonian reasons for the
> creation
> > > > > of mankind would be, that they might carry on the service and
> worship
> > > > > of the gods, and by their righteousness redeem those enemies of the
> > > > > gods who were undergoing punishment for their hostility. Whether by
> > > > > this Tiawath, Apsu, Mummu, Kingu, and the monsters whom she had
> > > > > created were included, or only the gods of heaven who had joined her
>
> > > > > the record does not say. Naturally, this doctrine depends entirely
> > > > > upon the correctness of the translation of the words quoted. Jensen,
> > > > > who first proposed this rendering, makes no attempt to explain it,
> and
> > > > > simply asks: "Does 'them' in 'to redeem(?) them' refer to the gods
> > > > > named in line 28 or to mankind and then to a future--how meant?--
> > > > > redemption? Eschatology? Zimmern's 'in their place' unprovable.
> > > > > Delitzsch refrains from an explanation. "
> > > > >
> > > > > The bilingual account of the creation. Aruru aids Merodach.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whilst dealing with this part of the religious beliefs of the
> > > > > Babylonians, a few words are needed concerning the creation-story
> > > > > which is prefixed to an incantation used in a purification ceremony.
> > > > > The original text is Sumerian (dialectic), and is provided with a
> > > > > Semitic translation. In this inscription, after stating that nothing
> > > > > (in the beginning) existed, and even the great cities and temples of
> > > > > Babylonia were as yet unbuilt, the condition of the world is briefly
> > > > > indicated by the statement that "All the lands were sea." The
> renowned
> > > > > cities of Babylonia seem to have been regarded as being as much
> > > > > creations of Merodach as the world and its inhabitants- -indeed, it
> is
> > > > > apparently for the glorification of those cities by attributing
> their
> > > > > origin to Merodach, that the bilingual account of the creation was
> > > > > composed.. "When within the sea there was a stream"--that is, when
> the
> > > > > veins of Tiawath had been cut through--Ã� ridu (probably = Paradise)
> and
> > > > > the temple Ã� -sagila within the Abyss were constructed, and after
> that
> > > > > Babylon and the earthly temple of Ã� -sagila within it. Then he made
> the
> > > > > gods and the Annunnaki (the gods of the earth), proclaimed a
> glorious
> > > > > city as the seat of the joy of their hearts, and afterwards made a
> > > > > pleasant place in which the gods might dwell. The creation of
> mankind
> > > > > followed, in which Merodach was aided by the goddess Aruru, who made
> > > > > mankind's seed. Finally, plants, trees, and the animals, were
> > > > > produced, after which Merodach constructed bricks, beams, houses,
> and
> > > > > cities, including Niffer and Erech with their renowned temples.
> > > > >
> > > > > We see here a change in the teaching with regard to Merodach--the
> gods
> > > > > are no longer spoken of as "his fathers," but he is the creator of
> the
> > > > > gods, as well as of mankind.
> > > > >
> > > > > The order of the gods in the principal lists.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is unfortunate that no lists of gods have been found in a
> > > > > sufficiently complete state to allow of the scheme after which they
> > > > > were drawn up to be determined without uncertainty. It may,
> > > > > nevertheless, be regarded as probable that these lists, at least in
> > > > > some cases, are arranged in conformity (to a certain extent) with
> the
> > > > > appearance of the deities in the so-called creation-story. Some of
> > > > > them begin with Anu, and give him various names, among them being
> > > > > AnÅ¡ar and Ki������¡ar, Lahmu and Lahame, etc. More specially interesting
>
> > > > > however, is a well-known trilingual list of gods, which contains the
> > > > > names of the various deities in the following order:--
> > > > >
> > > > > EXTRACTS FROM THE TRILINGUAL LIST
> > > > > /Obverse/
> > > > >
> > > > > Sumer. Dialect Sumer. Standard Common Explanation
> > > > > (Semit. or Sumer.)
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Dimmer Dingir ÃŽlu God.
> > > > > 2. U-ki En-ki Ã� -a Ã� a or Aa.
> > > > > 3. Gašan(?)-ki Nin-ki Dawkina Dauké, the
> > > > > consort of Ã� a.
> > > > > 4. Mu-ul-lil En-lil-la Bêl The God Bel.
> > > > > 5. E-lum A-lim Bêl
> > > > > 6. Gašan(?)-lil Nin-lil-la dam-bi sal Bel's
> > > > > consort.
> > > > > 7. U-lu-a Ni-rig Ã� nu-rêštu The god of
> > > > > Niffer.
> > > > > 8. U-lib-a Ni-rig Ã� nu-rêštu
> > > > >
> > > > > 9-12 have Ã� nu-rêštu's consort, sister, and attendant.
> > > > >
> > > > > 13. U-šab-sib En-šag-duga Nusku Nusku
> > > > >
> > > > > 14-19 have two other names of Nusku, followed by three names of his
> > > > > consort. A number of names of minor divinities then follow. At
> > > > > line 43 five names of Ã� a are given, followed by four of
> > > > > Merodach:--
> > > > >
> > > > > 48. U-bi-lu-lu En-bi-lu-lu Marduk Merodach
> > > > > 49. U-Tin-dir ki En-Tin-dir ki Marduk Merodach as
> > > > > lord of Babylon."
> > > > > 50. U-dimmer-an- kia En-dinger-an- kia Marduk Merodach
> > > > > as "lord god of heaven and earth."
> > > > > 51. U-ab-šar-u En-ab-šar-u Marduk Merodach,
> > > > > apparently as "lord of the 36,000 steers."
> > > > > 52. U-bar-gi-si Nin-bar-gi-si Zer-panîtum Merodach's
> > > > > consort.
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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal.net>
To: israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:37:01 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

It is to bad that you don't have a relationship with Jesus Christ. We are in the end times, now is the time to start thinking about eternity. 

 

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From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/21/2009 10:02:42 AM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

It's only a diseased and addled mind that could see evil in my e-mail telling you I don't hate you, Terry.

 

Off your psychiatric meds this morning, are you?

 

 

 

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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:52:40 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

You are so evil. It is no wonder Jesus Christ has passed you by. 

 

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From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/21/2009 9:44:32 AM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Oh, I don't hate you, Terry. In fact, I feel sorry for you.  

 

And you're missing the point.  Of course, it is easy to be nice to one's friends.  But it's being "nice" to strangers that is of more value, and what Jesus wants us to be.  And not just "nice" - he wants us to make superhuman efforts for the sake of others, which in turn means we are making a superhuman effort for His sake.  What we do to another we do to Jesus Christ.  Don't forget that, Terry.  

 

You didn't learn much in catechism class, did you?  You Catholic-Pretender!

 

"What you do to one of these, the least of my brethren, you do also to me."  Was Jesus kidding?

 

 

 

 

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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:05:56 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

I do all that, but you and don don't. You to obsessed with you false pagan doctrine. A saint is one that follows Jesus Christ. Anybody can be nice to people, that doesn't mean that they are saints. Again you are misusing and abusing the Bible. You have no knowledge of what the Bible says. You just live to abuse the Bible. You don't know me, but you accuse me. It is unfortunate that you are so deceived and full of vicious hate.  

 

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From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/21/2009 1:54:29 AM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

But our friend Terry is ignorant of such knowledge.  He claims to read the bible, but he never got as far as Matthew.  I guess he stopped with the Old Testament.

 

 

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From: Debunks <debunks@sbcglobal. net>
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 1:29:04 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

Yes, indeed, Don.   THAT is how a saint lives.

 

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From: Don Divine

Date: 6/20/2009 10:27:20 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Jesus said to serve your fellow man.
Matthew 25
 34.  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
 35.  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
 36.  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
 37.  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
 38.  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
 39.  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
 40.  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
 41.  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 42.  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
 43.  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
 44.  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
 45.  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
 46.  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


--- On Sun, 6/21/09, isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net> wrote:


From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 4:02 AM

 

Again you are wrong. Saints live for God not for their fellow man. Jesus Christ said, that if I (he) be lifted up, all men would follow after men. Besides, Jesus also told his disciples to first go to the lost sheep of Israel, not to all the races. I follow the commands of Jesus Christ. MY self interests are his self interests. 

 

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From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/20/2009 10:52:16 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Saints lead saintly lives, which you do not do.  They do not live lives of self-interest.  They live for their fellow man whether it be white, black, tan, red haired or dark.  And they follow the commands of Jesus Christ to the letter!

 

You have failed, Terry, on all counts.

 

 

 

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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:36:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

Saints are those that follow Jesus Christ, that put their trust in Jesus Christ, that have him as their friend. This is what I am guilty of. 

 

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From: debunks

Date: 6/20/2009 8:22:18 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

You're in no position to be lecturing others on the subject of saintliness.  You're the farthest thing from it.

 

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From: isaiah14

Date: 6/19/2009 3:45:39 AM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

What does saint mean? Do you even know? Paul even says to greet the saints in a few of his epistles, but you have no idea what he meant. See you don't fear God, and don't even bother to talk to him we know where you stand. 

 

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From: Don Divine

Date: 6/19/2009 12:08:53 AM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

You a Saint? More likely 

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net> wrote:


From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 9:03 PM

 

I can't admit that it didn't happen, because it did. I am a saint. What is the meaning of a saint? 

 

-------Original Message----- --

 

From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/18/2009 3:44:28 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Admit it, Terry, it never happened.

 

This is just your little story to try to gather some credibility.  Probably your master John Knightmare told you to do this.  I doubt you'd have the wit yourself.

 

Or have you secretly been reading the Lives of the Saints and now pretending your life emulates theirs?

 

 

 

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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:00:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

Of course you won't believe that God can do that. You have to believe in God first, and since you don't have a relationship with Jesus Christ and you would rather pray to Mary and the saints, you are blind to the truth. Then the fool debunk pulls out the Bible for the first time in his life and tries to reprimand me for something that really happened to me. Boy are you people blind and full of deception. So I rebuke debunk for his foolishness. He is in a pagan cult and uses the Bible against a true born again Christian that had a meeting with Jesus Christ. You soul be ashamed of yourself. That is like a Satanist preaching from the Bible. No wait a minute, it is a Satanist preaching from the bible. Sorry folks you don't want to believe because you don't believe that someone can have a one on one relationship with Jesus Christ. I suppose the Apostle Paul never fell off his horse on the Damascus road when he was confronted by Jesus Christ, or Peter have a vision of a sheet dropping down in front of him just a few minutes before the visitors arrived. How about Philip, when God told him to meet the eunuch. I know all of this is from evil spirits right.  Not bad for someone who is involved in a false doctrine that likes to make up things as they go along. If I worshiped the idols and statues as you do, I would expect to be visited by evil spirits. But since I walk and talk to Jesus Christ; and know him on a personal basis, it is he that chose me because I am one of the lost sheep of Israel. 

 

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From: debunks

Date: 6/18/2009 1:34:33 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

 Gal 1:8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!

(Gal 1:9) We have said it before, and now I say it again: if anyone preaches to you a gospel that is different from the one you accepted, may he be condemned to hell!

(2Ti 4:2) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

 

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From: Viva Veridad

Date: 6/17/2009 9:39:56 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

That's what happens when you get drunk, Terry.

 

I don't believe a word of it - not from someone who lies like you do.

 

 

 

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From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:54:25 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

When I was in college is when I got saved. I was never told about Jesus Christ directly.. It was actually an after thought. I was a roman catholic and I met someone who was the head of a Christian community. He was reading a book that was written by a former roman catholic priest that tore a part the roman catholic church. The head of this community really opened my eyes about the roman catholic church. I was later given the book, "The Late Great Planet Earth," by Hal Lindsey. I now know, through my own research, that much of the belief in the pre-tribulation rapture is actually a hoax, and that Hal Lindesy was merely speculating. Never the less, I got drunk that night, and got back to my apartment about 11 PM. I read the book until 3 AM when I finally finished it. I put the book down on the coffee table and just sat back. To my right I saw three angels standing on one side of the room.. To my left I saw another angel standing in the corner of the room. On my immediate left I saw Jesus Christ. I stood up from the couch and Jesus Took a step toward me and touched me on my forehead. I collapsed immediately. I had to crawl down to my water bed which was in the basement. That is how I know I'm an Israelite. Jesus found me. 

A week later I had a bout with Satan, and saw him a number of times. It was three weeks later that I was praying to speak in tongues, and an angel came to me again. In his left hand, as I was looking at him,the angel had a piece of coal that I could see was glowing. In his right hand he had a small branding iron that was about eight inches in length, and the top of it was about three inches long and an two inches  wide. The angel pressed the hot coal on my lips, and then pressed the branding iron on my forehead. The angel left, and Jesus came to me and kissed me on my left cheek. When I woke up, I was speaking in tongues. This is how I know I'm an Israelite. I didn't seek Jesus Christ; he sought me.

 

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From: Don Divine

Date: 6/17/2009 6:09:24 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

Then, how do you know that you are an "Israelite"? Especially, since you do not know who your parents were?

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net> wrote:


From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:43 PM

 

True..  

 

-------Original Message----- --

 

From: d_3_8_69

Date: 6/14/2009 6:37:05 PM

To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts

 

So not all Whites are Israelites?

--- In israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com, "isaiah14" <isaiah14@.. .> wrote:
>
> The Caucasians are Hebrews and Israelites. All Israelites are Hebrews but
> not all Hebrews are Israelites. The Black race is behemeth, and the Asian
> race is Enosh. Many scientist believe that the Asian race is actually a
> hybrid race..
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Debunks
> Date: 6/14/2009 11:03:28 AM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> Teri, we want you to cite all the 'beasts' in the images below. Point out
> the Caucasians, Negroes, Asians, and Indians.
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: isaiah14
> Date: 6/12/2009 2:37:06 PM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> You are under God's curse. You are insulting one of his children. Satan has
> been using you for a long time.
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Debunks
> Date: 6/12/2009 4:07:19 PM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Fw: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> Teri still has to answer the following, too.
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: JPB
> Date: 5/15/2009 3:35:26 PM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> Teri, who is SO infatuated with his white skin, ought to focus all his
> energy on ETERNITY, because when you enter there, brother, you won't be
> wearing ANY skin at all -
> your bones will be left to rot in a grave or else will be burned to ashes in
> a crematoria - But since you place so much stock in race, point out to us
> the races of the following -
>
> What race? What race?
>
> What race? What race?
>
> What race? What race?
>
>
> What race? Race? Race?
>
> Race? Race?
>
> Race? Teri's END.
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Viva Veridad
> Date: 5/15/2009 2:58:47 PM
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
> Amen!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: d_3_8_69 <D3869@...>
> To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:01:03 PM
> Subject: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
>
>
> Contributions?
> Yours are distortions, half truths, and plain, vile HATRED!
>
> --- In israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com, "Jacob Israel" <ji@> wrote:
> >
> > <<< Gabrich's mother probably only fetched a dozen chickens. No need for a
> rooster.>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you trying to prove, once again, that the only contribution to this
> “discussion� from you easily beguiled whores is character assassination?
> Isn’t that the same lack of response to the topic at hand that we got from
> faith BULL!:
> >
> >
> >
> > <<<It would never survive in our church. It's more at home in your
> non-denomination groupings! Like Bohemian Grove - with all your so WHITE
> brethern!>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesus said to follow God's COMMANDMENTS, not some highly recommended hints
> or suggestions:
> >
> >
> >
> > John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that
> loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will
> love him, and will manifest myself to him.
> >
> >
> >
> > What you niggerized race mixing whores follow is the exact OPPOSITE. There
> s not a SINGLE one of God's commandments, in particular EACH ONE of the ten
> COMMANDMENTS [not ten suggestions] , that you haven't twisted into a mental
> pretzel.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That makes your "church" THE anti-Christ! ~
> >
> >
> >
> > http://christianpar ty.net/rcc. htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Knight
> >
> >
> >
> > From: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:israeliteid entity@
> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of d_3_8_69
> > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gabrich's mother probably only fetched a dozen chickens. No need for a
> rooster.
> >
> > --- In israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:israeliteid
> entity%40yahoogr oups.com> , Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Terry gets down and dirty, revealing his disgustingly low mentality. We
> knew he was dim, but now it's all revealed how filthy he is.
> > >
> > > And he purports to be a "man of God." What a joke! "Birds of a feather
> flock together." Terry and John Knight are really sick birds.
> > >
> > > Saved? Hardly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@>
> > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:israeliteid
> entity%40yahoogr oups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:11:33 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How many did your father have to hump to buy your mother stupid?
> > >
> > > -------Original Message----- --
> > >
> > > From: d3869
> > > Date: 5/15/2009 1:22:40 AM
> > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [israeliteidentity] Re: the facts
> > >
> > > Tell me, Knight of the Toilets, How many goats and donkeys did your
> father have to cough up to buy your mother?
> > >
> > > --- In israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com, blackexilenow
> <blackexilenow@ ....> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Furthermore, we have PROOF in their own words, from all three whores,
> that
> > > > they DO actually comprehend the real Word of God, because at least ONE
> of
> > > > them was able to paraphrase it ACCURATELY, and NONE of them refuted
> that it
> > > > was an accurate paraphrase:
> > > >
> > > > From: "Viva Veridad" <vivaveridad@ yahoo.ca>
> > > > To: <israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] the facts
> > > >
> > > > TOTAL RUBBISH, the following:
> > > > [read: Jesus is not the head of woman. Jesus is the head of man. Man
> is
> > > > the head of woman, and God is the head of Jesus. Women must be
> obedient to
> > > > their men, not to God nor to Jesus..]
> > > >
> > > > This means that women must pay no attention to God, to Jesus, but only
> to
> > > > men!
> > > >
> > > > What a laugh!
> > > >
> > > > It's a good thing I know there are intelligent men around for if women
> had
> > > > to be subservient to the likes of John Knight and Terry Gabrich, that
> would
> > > > be the ultimate in INSULT to womanhood. It would be like God caving in
> to
> > > > the Devil!
> > > >
> > > > No, my very stupid friends, men are as imperfect as the rest of us,
> and no
> > > > woman has to be obedient to a man who turns out to be an IDIOT!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:03 AM, isaiah14 <isaiah14@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No you are in a pagan religion. You still want to try to prove that
> > > > > Jesus Christ started the roman catholic church when there is no
> historical
> > > > > basis for it. Peter was never the first pope, and there is proof of
> that. Go
> > > > > ahead worship Mary and the saints, I would rather know Jesus Christ.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/14/2009 10:02:17 AM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > You're trying hard to convince yourself of that, aren't you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Truth abides with us. We are Israel.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@ .>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:54:43 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > You don't have any historical truth. Jesus Christ did not start the
> > > > > roman catholic church, and peter was never its first pope.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/14/2009 6:16:27 AM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Your words drip lavishly with ignorance.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't compete with historical truth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:19:17 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Yea right. You are so far a way from the truth. Constantine started
> > > > > your religion.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/13/2009 8:06:02 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > We do. You don't.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:11:38 PM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No you aren't. You are a roman catholic. You don't follow the
> > > > > Israelites of the Bible. You follow the false teachings of the roman
> > > > > catholic church.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/13/2009 4:10:50 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, we who follow Jesus Christ are ISRAEL.
> > > > >
> > > > > Viva Israel!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* JPB <debunks@sbcglobal. net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. . com
> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:41:32 PM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Well Teri certainly is not Israel, we are. He does not partake of
> the
> > > > > Eucharist, therefore he has 'no life in him,' according to Jesus
> Christ.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@ .>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 12:06:01 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Not true. It is God's people Israel that he blesses more. Get use to
> it.
> > > > > Get use to the idea that there will be those that will never, and
> can never
> > > > > enter into God's kingdom.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 12:38:57 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Like it or lump it, it's here. Get used to it.
> > > > >
> > > > > God blesses the heart not the colour of the skin.
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 1:18:01 PM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God didn't create many species of people in the world today... They
> were
> > > > > created by intermarriage which God hates.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 12:01:55 PM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God is the only CREATOR in existence, you fool!
> > > > >
> > > > > He created ALL living beings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether you like it or not.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 12:52:39 PM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God says that he hates them, and they hate God and Jesus Christ. As
> for
> > > > > God creating anything sacred. He didn't create the mixed races.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 10:43:12 AM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God hasn't rejected the Jews. He has rejected SINNING.
> > > > >
> > > > > He will judge each of us separately, according to our works,
> according to
> > > > > how WE TREATED OUR FELLOW MAN (includes all of mankind).
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesus loves all of us equally. On earth he is like a lamb, but when
> we die
> > > > > and after that the dread judgment, He will be like a LION to those
> who died
> > > > > unrepentant (that means for all of the sins they committed on this
> earth
> > > > > from birth to death, sins of omission, sins of commission, sins of
> > > > > thought...just think about it. That entails a lot.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Asking Jesus to be one's personal saviour and deciding one has a
> > > > > relationship with him, meanwhile behaving disgracefully to others,
> does not
> > > > > render one saved "under the blood of Jesus Christ." That's just the
> Church
> > > > > of the Free Lunch - non-existent - that Terry belongs to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember, each and every one of us was born equal in the eyes of God
> and
> > > > > as such we are brothers and sisters in His great family, and as such
> we
> > > > > should behave like brothers and sisters - otherwise we offend God by
> hating
> > > > > his creation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anything that God created, anyone that God chose for a special role,
> is
> > > > > SACRED.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------
> > > > > *From:* isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 8:53:15 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God rejected Esau/Edom Malachi 1:1-4. Also when you consider that a
> > > > > mamzer (the product of an interracial marriage. Mamzer literally
> means
> > > > > mongrel, half bred) is not to enter into the congregation of the
> Lord.
> > > > > (Deuteronomy 23:2), Yes, God does reject certain people. God has
> rejected
> > > > > the Jews for one thing. The Jews are Esau/Edom.
> > > > >
> > > > > *-------Original Message----- --*
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* melvinalexander <melvinalexander@ ...>
> > > > > *Date:* 5/11/2009 7:18:32 AM
> > > > > *To:* israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti ty@
> yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > God does not reject anyone. He rejects sin.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "isaiah14" <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net <isaiah14%40sbcglob al
> net>>
> > > > > To: <israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti
> ty%40yahoogroups .com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:07 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God has rejected you because you rejected Jesus Christ. You are an
> > > > > idolater.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 05/10/09 20:05:59
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com<israeliteidenti
> ty%40yahoogroups .com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > God preserve us from people like John Knight!
> > > > >
> > > > > If I were a person who didn't believe in God, I would be so put off
> > > > > religion
> > > > > by what I have just read in the tirade below. I wouldn't even want
> to know
> > > > > about God if I thought John Knight represented God's anointed. But
> > > > > thankfully, John Knight does not!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > John Knight couldn't convince ANYONE on the planet that there is a
> God,
> > > > > because (a) he has no understanding of how to behave towards his
> fellow
> > > > > man,
> > > > > and (b) he is a racist and a bigot, and he really doesn't care
> whether a
> > > > > person believes in God or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Jacob Israel <ji@christianparty. net <ji%40christianpart y
> net>>
> > > > > To: houseisrael@ yahoogroups. com <houseisrael% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> Israelites@yahoogro
> > > > > ups.com <Israelites% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com <israeliteidentity%
> 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > hilloftorah@ yahoogroups. com <hilloftorah% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > christiandentity@ yahoogroups. com <christiandentity% 40yahoogroups.
> com>; identity@yahoogroup
> > > > > s.com <identity%40yahoogr oups.com> ;
> > > > > TWOMIFTG@yahoogroup s.com <TWOMIFTG%40yahoogr oups.com> ;
> thespiritofjacob@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com <thespiritofjacob% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > christiandentity@ yahoogroups. com <christiandentity% 40yahoogroups.
> com>; jewsareedom@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com <jewsareedom% 40yahoogroups. com>;
> > > > > mamzers@yahoogroups .com <mamzers%40yahoogro ups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:36:03 PM
> > > > > Subject: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > <<< Where are the "Facts" that there is a God. There aren't any!>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course not. You niggers have no god. You are godless pagans and
> always
> > > > > will be no matter how much Christians try to explain it to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the God of ONLY the House of
> ISRAEL
> > > > > and House of Judah [who are NOT jews, as jews CLAIM to be godless
> > > > > Edomites].
> > > > >
> > > > > He is also NOT the God of many pure Israelite descendants of Jacob
> which
> > > > > people like Catholics MIGHT be, because HE rejected them millennia
> ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're absolutely right. You have no god. Just like all the cities
> and
> > > > > buildings and roads and bridges you see around you, it was us
> honkies who
> > > > > built the stars and the planets and Earth and the continents, and we
> just
> > > > > blamed it on Him.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://christianpar ty.net/pagans. htm
> > > > >
> > > > > John Knight
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Flack Flack [mailto:fa2a38@ hotmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM
> > > > > To: jk@israeliteidentit y.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Where are the "Facts" that there is a God. There aren't any!
> > > > >
> > > > > From: jk@israeliteidentit y.com
> > > > > To: ji@christianparty. net
> > > > > Subject: RE: the facts
> > > > > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:12 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > > <<< Exactly. Have you noticed how Teri completely IGNORES the fact
> that he
> > > > > and his idol knight have repeatedly demanded that women be STONED to
> > > > > DEATH????>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > To simply QUOTE the Word of God is not to DEMAND something, you
> pagan
> > > > > *idiot*..
> > > > >
> > > > > It's YOU, not US, who reject the Word of God, and we've gained
> NOTHING and
> > > > > lost MUCH by even entertaining your pagan misery, particularly when
> it
> > > > > comes
> > > > > to embracing niggers!!:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://christianpar ty.net/execution s.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > John Knight
> > > > >
> > > > > From: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:israeliteid
> > > > > entity@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of JPB
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:14 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Exactly. Have you noticed how Teri completely IGNORES the fact that
> he and
> > > > > his idol knight have repeatedly demanded that women be STONED to
> DEATH????
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/30/2009 6:30:16 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, Terry will say that the 13-year old, who knew the penalty for
> > > > > adultery,
> > > > > was "asking for it."
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry is a dangerously stupid man to be let loose on society.
> > > > >
> > > > > He was in the forces, Joseph, in other people's countries. God only
> knows
> > > > > what terror he inflicted on those he looks down on and denigrates.
> He is
> > > > > the type of soldier that brings shame to their own nation.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:30:00 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > You are so stupid. This was in a black nation where witchcraft
> abounds.
> > > > > This
> > > > > is what roman catholics do stupid.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/30/2009 1:13:41 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > And here is exactly where their type of insanity ultimately leads -
> did you
> > > > > read this story? Teri will undoubtedly say this girl was 'begging'
> for it,
> > > > > right, Teri?
> > > > >
> > > > > NOVEMBER 1, 2008 4:30PM
> > > > > 13 Year Old Girl Confirmed Dead
> > > > > [Tip!]
> > > > >
> > > > > Kicking and screaming in terror, the girl was carried into the
> stadium. 1
> > > > > 000 onlookers watched as her hands and legs were forcefully bound.
> > > > > When anguished family members broke from the crowd and ran towards
> her, the
> > > > > militia opened fire. A small boy was killed.
> > > > > 13 year old Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was buried up to her neck and a
> cape was
> > > > > placed over her head, leaving only her face exposed. 50 men hurled
> stones
> > > > > at
> > > > > her face from the truckload unloaded earlier that day.
> > > > > Her crime was being raped by 3 men. When she reported the rape to
> the
> > > > > militia who control Kismayo, Somalia, she was charged with
> fornication
> > > > > (adultery) and sentenced to death by stoning. At 13.
> > > > > Her father told Amnesty International the act of reporting the crime
> > > > > resulted in her accusation..
> > > > > "She officially confirmed her guilt" Sheikh Hayakalah, the Sharia
> court
> > > > > judge, said in remarks broadcast on Radio Shabelle.
> > > > > According to onlookers, 3 times nurses were instructed to check
> whether she
> > > > > was still alive. They pulled the teen from the ground, declared she
> was
> > > > > still alive and put her back in the hole for the stoning to continue
>
> > > > > David Copeman of Amnesty International said "This was not justice,
> nor was
> > > > > it an execution. This child suffered a horrendous death..."
> > > > > None of men who raped her were arrested.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reference Links:
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 7:13:47 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > That's right, JohnKnight's favourite pastime - stoning people -
> aided and
> > > > > abetted by peon Terry.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB <debunks@sbcglobal. net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:20:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > He sure would - I can see terry and knight right now, too -
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 5:26:57 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > And he would enjoy butchering Catholics again!
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB <debunks@sbcglobal. net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:05:49 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > Read how your pagan ancestors butchered Catholics in the apostolic
> age-
> > > > >
> > > > > Blandina and Perpetua
> > > > >
> > > > > "Suffer me to become food for the wild beasts, through whose
> > > > > instrumentality
> > > > > it will be granted me to attain to God. I am the wheat of God, and
> let me
> > > > > be
> > > > > ground by the teeth of the wild beasts, that I may be found the pure
> bread
> > > > > of Christ."
> > > > > Ignatius, Epistle to the Romans (IV.1)
> > > > > The martyrdom of Blandina is presented in the Historia Ecclesiastica
> of
> > > > > Eusebius (V.1), who quotes from a letter written by the Christian
> > > > > communities in Lyon and Vienne, recounting the persecutions that had
> > > > > occurred there in the summer of AD 177. There was a xenophobic
> prejudice
> > > > > against the Christians of these Gallic towns, many of whom were
> immigrants
> > > > > from Asia Minor. Prohibited from appearing in public places and
> > > > > increasingly
> > > > > subject to abuse and imprisonment, the Christians of Lyon eventually
> were
> > > > > arrested.
> > > > > Interrogated in the forum by the provincial governor, those who
> professed
> > > > > to
> > > > > being Christians and did not save themselves by renouncing their
> faith were
> > > > > horribly tortured and condemned to the beasts of the amphitheater,
> being
> > > > > made all day long a spectacle to the world in place of the
> gladiatorial
> > > > > contest in its many forms" (V.1.40). Blandina, a slave girl, was the
> last
> > > > > to
> > > > > die. Hung from a post, she was exposed to wild animals, but they
> would not
> > > > > attack. Repeatedly tortured ("the heathen themselves admitted that
> never
> > > > > yet
> > > > > had they known a woman suffer so much or so long," V.1.56), she
> eventually
> > > > > was ensnared in a net and trampled beneath the feet of a bull. Her
> body,
> > > > > and
> > > > > those of others who had been martyred, was left unburied, guarded by
> > > > > soldiers. After six days, the remains were burnt and the ashes cast
> into
> > > > > the
> > > > > Rhône.
> > > > > The archetype of all later acts of Christian martyrs is that
> Perpetua, a
> > > > > well-born women of Carthage, whose passion (passio) is told by
> Tertullian.
> > > > > Arrested and put in prison, where she was baptized and gave birth,
> she kept
> > > > > a diary. "A few days later we were lodged in the prison; and I was
> > > > > terrified
> > > > > as I had never been in such a dark hole.. What a difficult time it
> was! With
> > > > > the crowd the heat was stifling; then there was the extortion of the
> > > > > soldiers; and to crown all, I was tortured with worry for my baby
> there" (I
> > > > > 2). The night before she was to die in the arena, she dreamed that
> she
> > > > > fought a diabolic Egyptian and defeated him before Christ, her
> heavenly
> > > > > trainer (lanista), walking victorious through the Porta Sanavivaria
> (Gate
> > > > > of
> > > > > Life). Martyrs often were idealized as combatants, the spectacle of
> the
> > > > > arena transposed to the struggle with Satan, imagery which Eusebius,
> > > > > himself
> > > > > uses in speaking of Blandina: "A small, weak, despised woman, who
> had put
> > > > > on Christ, the great invincible champion, and in bout after bout had
> > > > > defeated her adversary and through conflict had won the crown of
> > > > > immortality
> > > > > "
> > > > > Perpetua awoke, knowing that she would triumph the next day. "So
> much for
> > > > > what I did up until the eve of the contest," she writes. "About what
> > > > > happened at the contest itself, let him write of it who will" (III
> 2).
> > > > > Indeed, the events of that day were witnessed and recorded. As an
> > > > > additional
> > > > > humiliation, Perpetua and her maid-servant Felicitas were to be
> dressed as
> > > > > the priestesses of Ceres, which they refused to do. Like Blandina,
> they
> > > > > then
> > > > > were placed in nets to be trampled to death. In her passion,
> Perpetua did
> > > > > not even realize her ordeal until she saw that her tunic had been
> torn and
> > > > > the marks on her body. Later, in the center of the arena, she waited
> with
> > > > > the others for the thrust of the sword and "took the trembling hand
> of the
> > > > > young gladiator and guided it to her throat" (VI.4).
> > > > > Perpetua died in March AD 203 as part of the birthday celebration of
> Geta,
> > > > > the younger son of Septimius Severus. She was twenty-two years old,
> the
> > > > > same
> > > > > age as Geta when he was murdered by his brother.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Your blood is the key to Paradise."
> > > > > Tertullian, De Anima (LV.4-5)
> > > > > When another martyr, Attalus, was paraded in the arena of Lyon,
> preceded by
> > > > > a placard declaring him to be a Christian, it was discovered that he
> was a
> > > > > Roman citizen. Instructions were asked of the emperor Marcus
> Aurelius,
> > > > > which
> > > > > in due course, arrived. They essentially were the same as those of
> Trajan
> > > > > to Pliny the Younger, when he was governor of Bithynia in AD 112
> (Letters,
> > > > > X
> > > > > 96-97), complaining about the perverse obstinacy of the Christians:
> those
> > > > > who persisted in professing their faith were to be punished and
> those who
> > > > > recanted and worshiped the gods, pardoned. Trajan's other admonition
> that
> > > > > Christians were not be sought out, seems to have been ignored (cf.
> > > > > Tertullian, Apology, II, " forbidden to be sought, he was found").
> > > > > Accordingly, those Christians who were Roman citizens were beheaded
> and the
> > > > > rest condemned ad bestias, including Attalus.
> > > > > One is struck by the hatred of the people, who furiously had
> demanded
> > > > > Attalus by name. Certainly, the contumacious refusal to recant, even
> under
> > > > > torture, infuriated the populace, as well as the magistrates, who,
> says
> > > > > Origen, "are greatly distressed at seeing those who bear outrage and
> > > > > torture
> > > > > with patience, but are greatly elated when a Christian gives way
> under it"
> > > > > (Contra Celsus, VIII.44). To appreciate why, one must remember the
> stern
> > > > > admonition of Jesus that "whosoever shall deny me before men, him
> will I
> > > > > also deny before my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew, X.33).
> Marcus
> > > > > Aurelius, whose Meditations were written about this time, also was
> > > > > perturbed
> > > > > by such unreasonable stubbornness and regarded a readiness to die to
> come
> > > > > from judgment, "not out of sheer opposition like the Christians, but
> after
> > > > > reflection and with dignity, and so as to convince others, without
> > > > > histrionic display" (XI.3), a remark that may have been prompted by
> the
> > > > > events in Lyon.
> > > > > To honor the pagan gods was to expect their protection and avert the
> > > > > misfortunes, whether famine, disease, or drought, that might result
> from
> > > > > their neglect. It therefore seemed inexplicable to the inhabitants
> of Lyon
> > > > > that martyrs would die for their faith, especially since only a
> worshipful
> > > > > gesture of honor and conformity to tradition was all that was
> required of
> > > > > them. "'Where is their god? and what did they get for their religion
> which
> > > > > they preferred to their own lives?'" (V.1.60). Nor was death, itself
>
> > > > > sufficient. The bodies of the Christians were denied burial, so "
> that they
> > > > > may have no hope of resurrection- -the belief that has led them to
> bring
> > > > > into this country a new foreign cult and treat torture with contempt
> going
> > > > > willingly and cheerfully to their death. Now let's see if they'll
> rise
> > > > > again
> > > > > and if their god can help them and save them from our hands'" (V.1
> 63).
> > > > > Indeed, the very purpose of being sent into the arena to be devoured
> by
> > > > > beasts or to be burned alive or even to be left on a cross for
> scavengers
> > > > > was to ensure the complete annihilation of the victim.
> > > > >
> > > > > The picture is The Christian Martyrs' Last Prayer (1883) by
> Jean-Léon
> > > > > Gérôme
> > > > > the figures smeared in pitch and being set afire calling to mind the
> > > > > cruelty of Nero, who set Christians alight in his gardens to serve
> as human
> > > > > torches. The wrapping, itself, was known as tunica molesta (Juvenal,
> VIII
> > > > > 235; Martial, X.25.5; Seneca, Epistles, XIV.5).
> > > > >
> > > > > References: Eusebius: The History of the Church (1965) translated by
> G. A.
> > > > > Williamson; The Acts of the Christian Martyrs (1972) by Herbert
> Musurillo;
> > > > > Pagans and Christians (1986) by Robin Lane Fox; Martyrdom and
> Persecution
> > > > > in
> > > > > the Early Church (1967) by W. H. C. Frend; Pliny: Pliny the Younger:
> > > > > Letters
> > > > > and Panegyricus (1969) translated by Betty Radice (Loeb Classical
> Library);
> > > > > The Ante-Nicene Fathers: Translations of the Writings of the Fathers
> Down
> > > > > to
> > > > > A.D. 325 (1885-1896) translated and edited by the Rev. Alexander
> Roberts
> > > > > and
> > > > > James Donaldson; The Meditations of the Emperor Marcus Antoninus
> (1944)
> > > > > translated by A. S. L. Farquharson; A Select Library of Nicene and
> > > > > Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church, Series II (1890-1896)
> edited
> > > > > by
> > > > > by Philip Schaff and Henry Wace; The Oxford Dictionary of the
> Christian
> > > > > Church (1997) edited by E. A. Livingstone.
> > > > > Return to Top of Page
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 4:45:11 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesus Christ, and You can't do that by being a roman catholic.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 6:38:29 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides the pagan antichrist Talmudist John Knight, whom do you
> worship,
> > > > > Teri?
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 3:35:33 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Just your opinion, Terry.
> > > > >
> > > > > it has no value.
> > > > >
> > > > > Proof, please.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:50:13 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > You have never proven anything except that you are in the biggest
> religious
> > > > > cult in the world today, and that you don't have eternal life.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 4:36:12 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts [1 Attachment]
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a very nice and instructive power point presentation which I
> think
> > > > > most will enjoy.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 12:50:55 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > That may be your opinion, erroneous as ever, but we're not
> interested in
> > > > > your diseased mind's opinion.
> > > > > If you make a statement, you must back it up with proof.
> > > > > Saying "I have already proven...." means nothing unless you show us
> the
> > > > > proof
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:37:21 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > Prove it. I have already proven that the roman catholic church is
> > > > > debauchery
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 1:41:37 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > We have already proved that Terry is dead wrong on a number of silly
> > > > > beliefs
> > > > > he posted during these exchanges, and now it seems we shall have to
> prove
> > > > > him dead wrong again in respect to his comments re the Talmud and
> Judaism.
> > > > > I'll get working on that one soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/29/2009 7:39:07 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, indeed you do, Terry.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:54:49 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > You continue to support the Talmud and Judaism.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/28/2009 10:59:27 PM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. . com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, at least now our puppet pal isn't trying to claim Mary is
> based upon
> > > > > Ishtar or Isis, etc. That's a step in the right direction. The
> problem
> > > > > with some of these proddies is that they all repeat the same old
> hoary
> > > > > misconceptions about Catholicism that they have been carefully
> spoon-fed
> > > > > since infancy. When they are forced to examine the true facts, their
> belief
> > > > > system crumbles and all that is left is mindless hate. And that
> about sums
> > > > > up CI - AND Talmudic Judaism.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Viva Veridad
> > > > > Date: 4/26/2009 6:39:04 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. . com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Joseph, it's a waste of time trying to reason with Terry.
> > > > >
> > > > > He has no reasoning powers. He merely parrots the same tired old
> phrases,
> > > > > which is all that he understands. He has no comprehension of
> anything
> > > > > sensible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry has a childish grasp on that which comforts him. He can't
> agree with
> > > > > the truth that we offer him, because then he would have to face the
> > > > > devastating fact that he has committed spiritual suicide by leaving
> the
> > > > > Catholic Church. He is in a desperate situation and must continually
> close
> > > > > his eyes to the truth, much like the bird with its head in the sands
> He is
> > > > > on shaky ground and it will collapse and swallow him up.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: isaiah14 <isaiah14@sbcglobal . net>
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:53:07 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > > You worship the same goddesses. You have made Mary a goddess.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------Original Message----- --
> > > > >
> > > > > From: JPB
> > > > > Date: 4/26/2009 12:03:00 AM
> > > > > To: israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] RE: the facts
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's get back to Babylon. You keep saying, quite ignorantly, that
> the
> > > > > Catholic Church is pagan - even though it is monotheistic and
> founded by
> > > > > Christ - anyway, all that aside for the moment - you keep INSISTING
> that
> > > > > the
> > > > > Church is the Whore of Babylon and that the Church and the
> Babylonian
> > > > > Religion are one and the same. So, take your time and read through
> the
> > > > > following - select and choose anything you like from it - and
> demonstrate
> > > > > to
> > > > > us where you find similarities between what WE post here and the
> ancient
> > > > > Babylonian religion. Go ahead. Knock yourself out-
> > > > >
> > > > > THE RELIGION OF
> > > > > BABYLONIA AND ASSYRIA
> > > > >
> > > > > BY
> > > > >
> > > > > THEOPHILUS G. PINCHES, LL.D.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lecturer in Assyrian at University College, London,
> > > > > Author of "The Old Testament in the Light of the
> > > > > Records of Assyria and Babylonia"; "The Bronze
> > > > > Ornaments of the Palace Gates of Balewat" etc. etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > PREPARER'S NOTE
> > > > >
> > > > > The original text contains a number of characters that are not
> > > > > available even in 8-bit Windows text, such as H with a breve below
> > > > > it in Hammurabi, S with a breve, S and T with a dot below them, U
> > > > > with macron, and superscript M in Tašmêtum. These have been left
> > > > > in the e-text as the base letter.
> > > > >
> > > > > The 8-bit version of this text includes Windows font characters
> > > > > like S with a caron above it (pronounced /sh/) as in Šamaš, etc.
> > > > > These may be lost in 7-bit versions of the text, or when viewed
> > > > > with different fonts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greek text has been transliterated within brackets "{}" using an
> > > > > Oxford English Dictionary alphabet table. Diacritical marks have
> > > > > been lost.
> > > > >
> > > > > THE RELIGION OF THE
> > > > > BABYLONIANS AND ASSYRIANS
> > > > >
> > > > > CHAPTER I
> > > > >
> > > > > FOREWORD
> > > > >
> > > > > Position, and Period.
> > > > >
> > > > > The religion of the Babylonians and Assyrians was the polytheistic
> > > > > faith professed by the peoples inhabiting the Tigris and Euphrates
> > > > > valleys from what may be regarded as the dawn of history until the
> > > > > Christian era began, or, at least, until the inhabitants were
> brought
> > > > > under the influence of Christianity. The chronological period
> covered
> > > > > may be roughly estimated at about 5000 years. The belief of the
> > > > > people, at the end of that time, being Babylonian heathenism
> leavened
> > > > > with Judaism, the country was probably ripe for the reception of the
> > > > > new faith. Christianity, however, by no means replaced the earlier
> > > > > polytheism, as is evidenced by the fact, that the worship of Nebo
> and
> > > > > the gods associated with him continued until the fourth century of
> the
> > > > > Christian era.
> > > > >
> > > > > By whom followed.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was the faith of two distinct peoples--the Sumero-Akkadians, and
> > > > > the Assyro-Babylonians. In what country it had its beginnings is
> > > > > unknown--it comes before us, even at the earliest period, as a faith
> > > > > already well-developed, and from that fact, as well as from the
> names
> > > > > of the numerous deities, it is clear that it began with the former
> > > > > race--the Sumero-Akkadians- -who spoke a non-Semitic language
> largely
> > > > > affected by phonetic decay, and in which the grammatical forms had
> in
> > > > > certain cases become confused to such an extent that those who study
> > > > > it ask themselves whether the people who spoke it were able to
> > > > > understand each other without recourse to devices such as the "tones
>
> > > > > to which the Chinese resort. With few exceptions, the names of the
> > > > > gods which the inscriptions reveal to us are all derived from this
> > > > > non-Semitic language, which furnishes us with satisfactory
> etymologies
> > > > > for such names as Merodach, Nergal, Sin, and the divinities
> mentioned
> > > > > in Berosus and Damascius, as well as those of hundreds of deities
> > > > > revealed to us by the tablets and slabs of Babylonia and Assyria.
> > > > >
> > > > > The documents.
> > > > >
> > > > > Outside the inscriptions of Babylonia and Assyria, there is but
> little
> > > > > bearing upon the religion of those countries, the most important
> > > > > fragment being the extracts from Berosus and Damascius referred to
> > > > > above. Among the Babylonian and Assyrian remains, however, we have
> an
> > > > > extensive and valuable mass of material, dating from the fourth or
> > > > > fifth millennium before Christ until the disappearance of the
> > > > > Babylonian system of writing about the beginning of the Christian
> era.
> > > > > The earlier inscriptions are mostly of the nature of records, and
> give
> > > > > information about the deities and the religion of the people in the
> > > > > course of descriptions of the building and rebuilding of temples,
> the
> > > > > making of offerings, the performance of ceremonies, etc.. Purely
> > > > > religious inscriptions are found near the end of the third
> millennium
> > > > > before Christ, and occur in considerable numbers, either in the
> > > > > original Sumerian text, or in translations, or both, until about the
> > > > > third century before Christ. Among the more recent inscriptions-
> -those
> > > > > from the library of the Assyrian king Aššur-bani-âpli and the
> later
> > > > > Babylonian temple archives,--there are many lists of deities, with
> > > > > numerous identifications with each other and with the heavenly
> bodies,
> > > > > and explanations of their natures. It is needless to say that all
> this
> > > > > material is of enormous value for the study of the religion of the
> > > > > Babylonians and Assyrians, and enables us to reconstruct at first
> hand
> > > > > their mythological system, and note the changes which took place in
> > > > > the course of their long national existence. Many interesting and
> > > > > entertaining legends illustrate and supplement the information given
> > > > > by the bilingual lists of gods, the bilingual incantations and hymns
>
> > > > > and the references contained in the historical and other documents..
> A
> > > > > trilingual list of gods enables us also to recognise, in some cases,
> > > > > the dialectic forms of their names.
> > > > >
> > > > > The importance of the subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of equal antiquity with the religion of Egypt, that of Babylonia and
> > > > > Assyria possesses some marked differences as to its development.
> > > > > Beginning among the non-Semitic Sumero-Akkadian population, it
> > > > > maintained for a long time its uninterrupted development, affected
> > > > > mainly by influences from within, namely, the homogeneous local
> cults
> > > > > which acted and reacted upon each other. The religious systems of
> > > > > other nations did not greatly affect the development of the early
> > > > > non-Semitic religious system of Babylonia. A time at last came,
> > > > > however, when the influence of the Semitic inhabitants of Babylonia
> > > > > and Assyria was not to be gainsaid, and from that moment, the
> > > > > development of their religion took another turn. In all probably
> this
> > > > > augmentation of Semitic religious influence was due to the increased
> > > > > numbers of the Semitic population, and at the same period the
> Sumero-
> > > > > Akkadian language began to give way to the Semitic idiom which they
> > > > > spoke. When at last the Semitic Babylonian language came to be used
> > > > > for official documents, we find that, although the non-Semitic
> divine
> > > > > names are in the main preserved, a certain number of them have been
> > > > > displaced by the Semitic equivalent names, such as Šamaš for the
> > > > > sun-god, with Kittu and Mêšaru ("justice and righteousness" ) his
> > > > > attendants; Nabú ("the teacher" = Nebo) with his consort Tašmêtu
> ("the
> > > > > hearer"); Addu, Adad, or Dadu, and Rammanu, Ramimu, or Ragimu =
> Hadad
> > > > > or Rimmon ("the thunderer"); Bêl and Bêltu (Beltis = "the lord"
> and
> > > > > "the lady" /par excellence/) , with some others of inferior rank. In
> > > > > place of the chief divinity of each state at the head of each
> separate
> > > > > pantheon, the tendency was to make Merodach, the god of the capital
> > > > > city Babylon, the head of the pantheon, and he seems to have been
> > > > > universally accepted in Babylonia, like Aššur in Assyria, about
> 2000
> > > > > B.C. or earlier.
> > > > >
> > > > > The uniting of two pantheons.
> > > > >
> > > > > We thus find two pantheons, the Sumero-Akkadian with its many gods,
> > > > > and the Semitic Babylonian with its comparatively few, united, and
> > > > > forming one apparently homogeneous whole. But the creed had taken a
> > > > > fresh tendency. It was no longer a series of small, and to a certain
> > > > > extent antagonistic, pantheons composed of the chief god, his
> consort,
> > > > > attendants, children, and servants, but a pantheon of considerable
> > > > > extent, containing all the elements of the primitive but smaller
> > > > > pantheons, with a number of great gods who had raised Merodach to be
> > > > > their king.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Assyria.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whilst accepting the religion of Babylonia, Assyria nevertheless
> kept
> > > > > herself distinct from her southern neighbour by a very simple device
>
> > > > > by placing at the head of the pantheon the god Aššur, who became
> for
> > > > > her the chief of the gods, and at the same time the emblem of her
> > > > > distinct national aspirations- -for Assyria had no intention
> whatever
> > > > > of casting in her lot with her southern neighbour. Nevertheless,
> > > > > Assyria possessed, along with the language of Babylonia, all the
> > > > > literature of that country--indeed, it is from the libraries of her
> > > > > kings that we obtain the best copies of the Babylonian religious
> > > > > texts, treasured and preserved by her with all the veneration of
> which
> > > > > her religious mind was capable,--and the religious fervour of the
> > > > > Oriental in most cases leaves that of the European, or at least of
> the
> > > > > ordinary Briton, far behind.
> > > > >
> > > > > The later period in Assyria.
> > > > >
> > > > > Assyria went to her downfall at the end of the seventh century
> before
> > > > > Christ worshipping her national god Aššur, whose cult did not
> cease
> > > > > with the destruction of her national independence. In fact, the city
> > > > > of Aššur, the centre of that worship, continued to exist for a
> > > > > considerable period; but for the history of the religion of Assyria,
> > > > > as preserved there, we wait for the result of the excavations being
> > > > > carried on by the Germans, should they be fortunate enough to obtain
> > > > > texts belonging to the period following the fall of Nineveh.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Babylonia.
> > > > >
> > > > > Babylonia, on the other hand, continued the even tenor of her way.
> > > > > More successful at the end of her independent political career than
> > > > > her northern rival had been, she retained her faith, and remained
> the
> > > > > unswerving worshipper of Merodach, the great god of Babylon, to whom
> > > > > her priests attributed yet greater powers, and with whom all the
> other
> > > > > gods were to all appearance identified. This tendency to monotheism,
> > > > > however, never reached the culminating point--never became
> absolute--
> > > > > except, naturally, in the minds of those who, dissociating
> themselves,
> > > > > for philosophical reasons, from the superstitious teaching of the
> > > > > priests of Babylonia, decided for themselves that there was but one
> > > > > God, and worshipped Him. That orthodox Jews at that period may have
> > > > > found, in consequence of this monotheistic tendency, converts, is
> not
> > > > > by any means improbable-- indeed, the names met with during the
> later
> > > > > period imply that converts to Judaism were made.
> > > > >
> > > > > The picture presented by the study.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thus we see, from the various inscriptions, both Babylonian and
> > > > > Assyrian--the former of an extremely early period--the growth and
> > > > > development, with at least one branching off, of one of the most
> > > > > important religious systems of the ancient world. It is not so
> > > > > important for modern religion as the development of the beliefs of
> the
> > > > > Hebrews, but as the creed of the people from which the Hebrew nation
> > > > > sprang, and from which, therefore, it had its beginnings, both
> > > > > corporeal and spiritual, it is such as no student of modern
> religious
> > > > > systems can afford to neglect. Its legends, and therefore its
> > > > > teachings, as will be seen in these pages, ultimately permeated the
> > > > > Semitic West, and may in some cases even had penetrated Europe, not
> > > > > only through heathen Greece, but also through the early Christians,
> > > > > who, being so many centuries nearer the time of the
> > > > > Assyro-Babylonians, and also nearer the territory which they
> anciently
> > > > > occupied, than we are, were far better acquainted than the people of
> > > > > the present day with the legends and ideas which they possessed.
> > > > >
> > > > > CHAPTER II
> > > > >
> > > > > THE RELIGION OF THE BABYLONIANS AND ASSYRIANS
> > > > >
> > > > > The Sumero-Akkadians and the Semites.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the history of the development of the religion of the
> Babylonians
> > > > > and Assyrians much naturally depends upon the composition of the
> > > > > population of early Babylonia. There is hardly any doubt that the
> > > > > Sumero-Akkadians were non-Semites of a fairly pure race, but the
> > > > > country of their origin is still unknown, though a certain
> > > > > relationship with the Mongolian and Turkish nationalities, probably
> > > > > reaching back many centuries--perhaps thousands of years--before the
> > > > > earliest accepted date, may be regarded as equally likely. Equally
> > > > > uncertain is the date of the entry of the Semites, whose language
> > > > > ultimately displaced the non-Semitic Sumero-Akkadian idioms, and
> > > > > whose kings finally ruled over the land. During the third millennium
> > > > > before Christ Semites, bearing Semitic names, and called Amorites,
> > > > > appear, and probably formed the last considerable stratum of tribes
> of
> > > > > that race which entered the land. The name Martu, the
> Sumero-Akkadian
> > > > > equivalent of Amurru, "Amorite", is of frequent occurrence also
> before
> > > > > this period. The eastern Mediterranean coast district, including
> > > > > Palestine and the neighbouring tracts, was known by the Babylonians
> > > > > and Assyrians as the land of the Amorites, a term which stood for
> the
> > > > > West in general even when these regions no longer bore that name.
> The
> > > > > Babylonians maintained their claim to sovereignty over that part as
> > > > > long as they possessed the power to do so, and naturally exercised
> > > > > considerable influence there. The existence in Palestine, Syria, and
> > > > > the neighbouring states, of creeds containing the names of many
> > > > > Babylonian divinities is therefore not to be wondered at, and the
> > > > > presence of West Semitic divinities in the religion of the
> Babylonians
> > > > > need not cause us any surprise.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Babylonian script and its evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > In consequence of the determinative prefix for a god or a goddess
> > > > > being, in the oldest form, a picture of an eight-rayed star, it has
> > > > > been assumed that Assyro-Babylonian mythology is, either wholly or
> > > > > partly, astral in origin. This, however, is by no means certain, the
> > > > > character for "star" in the inscriptions being a combination of
> three
> > > > > such pictures, and not a single sign. The probability therefore is,
> > > > > that the use of the single star to indicate the name of a divinity
> > > > > arises merely from the fact that the character in question stands
> for
> > > > > /ana/, "heaven." Deities were evidently thus distinguished by the
> > > > > Babylonians because they regarded them as inhabitants of the realms
> > > > > above--indeed, the heavens being the place where the stars are seen,
> a
> > > > > picture of a star was the only way of indicating heavenly things.
> That
> > > > > the gods of the Babylonians were in many cases identified with the
> > > > > stars and planets is certain, but these identifications seem to have
> > > > > taken place at a comparatively late date. An exception has naturally
> > > > > to be made in the case of the sun and moon, but the god Merodach, if
> > > > > he be, as seems certain, a deified Babylonian king, must have been
> > > > > identified with the stars which bear his name after his worshippers
> > > > > began to pay him divine honours as the supreme deity, and naturally
> > > > > what is true for him may also be so for the other gods whom they
> > > > > worshipped. The identification of some of the deities with stars or
> > > > > planets is, moreover, impossible, and if Ã� a, the god of the deep,
> and
> > > > > Anu, the god of the heavens, have their representatives among the
> > > > > heavenly bodies, this is probably the result of later development.
> [*]
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] If there be any historical foundation for the statement that
> > > > > Merodach arranged the sun, the moon, the planets, and the stars,
> > > > > assigning to them their proper places and duties--a tradition
> > > > > which would make him the founder of the science of astronomy
> > > > > during his life upon earth--this, too, would tend to the
> > > > > probability that the origin of the gods of the Babylonians was not
> > > > > astral, as has been suggested, but that their identification with
> > > > > the heavenly bodies was introduced during the period of his reign.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ancestor and hero-worship. The deification of kings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Though there is no proof that ancestor-worship in general prevailed
> at
> > > > > any time in Babylonia, it would seem that the worship of heroes and
> > > > > prominent men was common, at least in early times. The tenth chapter
> > > > > of Genesis tells us of the story of Nimrod, who cannot be any other
> > > > > than the Merodach of the Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions; and other
> > > > > examples, occurring in semi-mythological times, are /En-we-dur-an-
> ki/,
> > > > > the Greek Edoreschos, and /Gilgameš/, the Greek Gilgamos, though
> > > > > Aelian's story of the latter does not fit in with the account as
> given
> > > > > by the inscriptions. In later times, the divine prefix is found
> before
> > > > > the names of many a Babylonian ruler--Sargon of Agadé,[*] Dungi of
> Ur
> > > > > (about 2500 B.C.), Rim-Sin or Eri-Aku (Arioch of Ellasar, about 2100
> > > > > B.C.), and others. It was doubtless a kind of flattery to deify and
> > > > > pay these rulers divine honours during their lifetime, and on
> account
> > > > > of this, it is very probable that their godhood was utterly
> forgotten,
> > > > > in the case of those who were strictly historical, after their death
>
> > > > > The deification of the kings of Babylonia and Assyria is probably
> due
> > > > > to the fact, that they were regarded as the representatives of God
> > > > > upon earth, and being his chief priests as well as his offspring
> (the
> > > > > personal names show that it was a common thing to regard children as
> > > > > the gifts of the gods whom their father worshipped), the divine
> > > > > fatherhood thus attributed to them naturally could, in the case of
> > > > > those of royal rank, give them a real claim to divine birth and
> > > > > honours. An exception is the deification of the Babylonian Noah,
> > > > > Ut-napištim, who, as the legend of the Flood relates, was raised
> and
> > > > > made one of the gods by Aa or Ea, for his faithfulness after the
> great
> > > > > catastrophe, when he and his wife were translated to the "remote
> place
> > > > > at the mouth of the rivers." The hero Gilgameš, on the other hand,
> was
> > > > > half divine by birth, though it is not exactly known through whom
> his
> > > > > divinity came.
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] According to Nabonidus's date 3800 B.C., though many
> > > > > Assyriologists regard this as being a millennium too early.
> > > > >
> > > > > The earliest form of the Babylonian religion.
> > > > >
> > > > > The state of development to which the religious system of the
> > > > > Babylonians had attained at the earliest period to which the
> > > > > inscriptions refer naturally precludes the possibility of a
> > > > > trustworthy history of its origin and early growth. There is no
> doubt,
> > > > > however, that it may be regarded as having reached the stage at
> which
> > > > > we find it in consequence of there being a number of states in
> ancient
> > > > > Babylonia (which was at that time like the Heptarchy in England)
> each
> > > > > possessing its own divinity--who, in its district, was regarded as
> > > > > supreme--with a number of lesser gods forming his court. It was the
> > > > > adding together of all these small pantheons which ultimately made
> > > > > that of Babylonia as a whole so exceedingly extensive. Thus the
> chief
> > > > > divinity of Babylon, as has already been stated, as Merodach; at
> > > > > Sippar and Larsa the sun-god Šamaš was worshipped; at Ur the
> moon-god
> > > > > Sin or Nannar; at Erech and Dêr the god of the heavens, Anu; at
> Muru,
> > > > > Ennigi, and Kakru, the god of the atmosphere, Hadad or Rimmon; at
> > > > > Ã� ridu, the god of the deep, Aa or Ã� a; at Niffur[*] the god Bel; at
> > > > > Cuthah the god of war, Nergal; at Dailem the god Uraš; at Kiš the
> god
> > > > > of battle, Zagaga; Lugal-Amarda, the king of Marad, as the city so
> > > > > called; at Opis Zakar, one of the gods of dreams; at Agadé, Nineveh
>
> > > > > and Arbela, Ištar, goddess of love and of war; Nina at the city
> Nina
> > > > > in Babylonia, etc. When the chief deities were masculine, they were
> > > > > naturally all identified with each other, just as the Greeks called
> > > > > the Babylonian Merodach by the name of Zeus; and as Zer-panîtum,
> the
> > > > > consort of Merodach, was identified with Juno, so the consorts,
> divine
> > > > > attendants, and children of each chief divinity, as far as they
> > > > > possessed them, could also be regarded as the same, though possibly
> > > > > distinct in their different attributes.
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] Noufar at present, according to the latest explorers. Layard
> > > > > (1856) has Niffer, Loftus (1857) Niffar. The native spelling is
> > > > > Noufer, due to the French system of phonetics.
> > > > >
> > > > > How the religion of the Babylonians developed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact that the rise of Merodach to the position of king of the
> gods
> > > > > was due to the attainment, by the city of Babylon, of the position
> of
> > > > > capital of all Babylonia, leads one to suspect that the kingly rank
> of
> > > > > his father Ã� a, at an earlier period, was due to a somewhat similar
> > > > > cause, and if so, the still earlier kingship of Anu, the god of the
> > > > > heavens, may be in like manner explained. This leads to the question
> > > > > whether the first state to attain to supremacy was Dêr, Anu's seat,
> > > > > and whether Dêr was succeeded by Ã� ridu, of which city Ã� a was the
> > > > > patron--concerning the importance of Babylon, Merodach's city, later
> > > > > on, there is no doubt whatever. The rise of Anu and Ã� a to divine
> > > > > overlordship, however, may not have been due to the political
> > > > > supremacy of the cities where they were worshipped-- it may have
> come
> > > > > about simply on account of renown gained through religious
> enthusiasm
> > > > > due to wonders said to have been performed where they were
> worshipped,
> > > > > or to the reported discovery of new records concerning their temples
>
> > > > > or to the influence of some renowned high-priest, like En-we-dur-an-
> ki
> > > > > of Sippar, whose devotion undoubtedly brought great renown to the
> city
> > > > > of his dominion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Was Animism its original form?
> > > > >
> > > > > But the question naturally arises, can we go back beyond the
> > > > > indications of the inscriptions? The Babylonians attributed life, in
> > > > > certain not very numerous cases, to such things as trees and plants,
> > > > > and naturally to the winds, and the heavenly bodies. Whether they
> > > > > regarded stones, rocks, mountains, storms, and rain in the same way,
> > > > > however, is doubtful, but it may be taken for granted, that the sea,
> > > > > with all its rivers and streams, was regarded as animated with the
> > > > > spirit of Ã� a and his children, whilst the great cities and
> > > > > temple-towers were pervaded with the spirit of the god whose abode
> > > > > they were. Innumerable good and evil spirits were believed in, such
> as
> > > > > the spirit of the mountain, the sea, the plain, and the grave. These
> > > > > spirits were of various kinds, and bore names which do not always
> > > > > reveal their real character--such as the /edimmu/, /utukku/,
> /šêdu/,
> > > > > /ašakku/ (spirit of fevers), /namtaru/ (spirit of fate), /âlû/
> > > > > (regarded as the spirit of the south wind), /gallu/, /rabisu/,
> > > > > /labartu/, /labasu/, /ahhazu/ (the seizer), /lilu/ and /lilithu/
> (male
> > > > > and female spirits of the mist), with their attendants.
> > > > >
> > > > > All this points to animism as the pervading idea of the worship of
> the
> > > > > peoples of the Babylonian states in the prehistoric period--the
> > > > > attribution of life to every appearance of nature... The question is,
> > > > > however, Is the evidence of the inscriptions sufficient to make this
> > > > > absolutely certain? It is hard to believe that such intelligent
> > > > > people, as the primitive Babylonians naturally were, believed that
> > > > > such things as stones, rocks, mountains, storms, and rain were, in
> > > > > themselves, and apart from the divinity which they regarded as
> > > > > presiding over them, living things. A stone might be a /bît îli/
> or
> > > > > bethel--a "house of god," and almost invested with the status of a
> > > > > living thing, but that does not prove that the Babylonians thought
> of
> > > > > every stone as being endowed with life, even in prehistoric times.
> > > > > Whilst, therefore, there are traces of a belief similar to that
> which
> > > > > an animistic creed might be regarded as possessing, it must be
> > > > > admitted that these seemingly animistic doctrines may have
> originated
> > > > > in another way, and be due to later developments. The power of the
> > > > > gods to create living things naturally makes possible the belief
> that
> > > > > they had also power to endow with a soul, and therefore with life
> and
> > > > > intelligence, any seemingly inanimate object. Such was probably the
> > > > > nature of Babylonian animism, if it may be so called. The legend of
> > > > > Tiawthu (Tiawath) may with great probability be regarded as the
> > > > > remains of a primitive animism which was the creed of the original
> and
> > > > > comparatively uncivilised Babylonians, who saw in the sea the
> producer
> > > > > and creator of all the monstrous shapes which are found therein; but
> > > > > any development of this idea in other directions was probably cut
> > > > > short by the priests, who must have realised, under the influence of
> > > > > the doctrine of the divine rise to perfection, that animism in
> general
> > > > > was altogether incompatible with the creed which they professed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Image-worship and Sacred Stones.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether image-worship was original among the Babylonians and
> Assyrians
> > > > > is uncertain, and improbable; the tendency among the people in early
> > > > > times being to venerate sacred stones and other inanimate objects.
> As
> > > > > has been already pointed out, the {diopetres} of the Greeks was
> > > > > probably a meteorite, and stones marking the position of the Semitic
> > > > > bethels were probably, in their origin, the same. The boulders which
> > > > > were sometimes used for boundary-stones may have been the
> > > > > representations of these meteorites in later times, and it is
> > > > > noteworthy that the Sumerian group for "iron," /an-bar/, implies
> that
> > > > > the early Babylonians only knew of that metal from meteoric
> ironstone.
> > > > > The name of the god Nirig or Ã� nu-rêštu (Ninip) is generally
> written
> > > > > with the same group, implying some kind of connection between the
> two
> > > > > --the god and the iron. In a well-known hymn to that deity certain
> > > > > stones are mentioned, one of them being described as the "poison-
> > > > > tooth"[*] coming forth on the mountain, recalling the sacred rocks
> at
> > > > > Jerusalem and Mecca. Boundary-stones in Babylonia were not sacred
> > > > > objects except in so far as they were sculptured with the signs of
> the
> > > > > gods.[†] With regard to the Babylonian bethels, very little can be
> > > > > said, their true nature being uncertain, and their number, to all
> > > > > appearance, small. Gifts were made to them, and from this fact it
> > > > > would seem that they were temples--true "houses of god," in fact--
> > > > > probably containing an image of the deity, rather than a stone
> similar
> > > > > to those referred to in the Old Testament.
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] So called, probably, not because it sent forth poison, but on
> > > > > account of its likeness to a serpent's fang.
> > > > >
> > > > > [†] Notwithstanding medical opinion, their phallic origin is
> doubtful.
> > > > > One is sculptured in the form of an Eastern castellated fortress.
> > > > >
> > > > > Idols.
> > > > >
> > > > > With the Babylonians, the gods were represented by means of stone
> > > > > images at a very early date, and it is possible that wood was also
> > > > > used. The tendency of the human mind being to attribute to the Deity
> a
> > > > > human form, the Babylonians were no exception to the rule. Human
> > > > > thoughts and feelings would naturally accompany the human form with
> > > > > which the minds of men endowed them. Whether the gross human
> passions
> > > > > attributed to the gods of Babylonia in Herodotus be of early date or
> > > > > not is uncertain--a late period, when the religion began to
> > > > > degenerate, would seem to be the more probable.
> > > > >
> > > > > The adoration of sacred objects.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is probable that objects belonging to or dedicated to deities
> were
> > > > > not originally worshipped-- they were held as divine in consequence
> of
> > > > > their being possessed or used by a deity, like the bow of Merodach,
> > > > > placed in the heavens as a constellation, etc. The cities where the
> > > > > gods dwelt on earth, their temples, their couches, the chariot of
> the
> > > > > sun in his temple-cities, and everything existing in connection with
> > > > > their worship, were in all probability regarded as divine simply in
> so
> > > > > far as they belonged to a god. Sacrifices offered to them, and
> > > > > invocations made to them, were in all likelihood regarded as having
> > > > > been made to the deity himself, the possessions of the divinity
> being,
> > > > > in the minds of the Babylonians, pervaded with his spirit. In the
> case
> > > > > of rivers, these were divine as being the children and offspring of
> > > > > Enki (Aa or Ã� a), the god of the ocean.
> > > > >
> > > > > Holy places.
> > > > >
> > > > > In a country which was originally divided into many small states,
> each
> > > > > having its own deities, and, to a certain extent, its own religious
> > > > > system, holy places were naturally numerous. As the spot where they
> > > > > placed Paradise, Babylonia was itself a holy place, but in all
> > > > > probability this idea is late, and only came into existence after
> the
> > > > > legends of the creation and the rise of Merodach to the kingship of
> > > > > heaven had become elaborated into one homogeneous whole.
> > > > >
> > > > > An interesting list.
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the most interesting documents referring to the holy places
> of
> > > > > Babylonia is a tiny tablet found at Nineveh, and preserved in the
> > > > > British Museum. This text begins with the word Tiawthu "the sea,"
> and
> > > > > goes on to enumerate, in turn, Tilmun (identified with the island of
> > > > > Bahrein in the Persian Gulf); Engurra (the Abyss, the abode of Enki
> or
> > > > > Ã� a), with numerous temples and shrines, including "the holy house,"
> > > > > "the temple of the seer of heaven and earth," "the abode of Zer-
> > > > > panîtum," consort of Merodach, "the throne of the holy place," "the
> > > > > temple of the region of Hades," "the supreme temple of life," "the
> > > > > temple of the ear of the corn-deity," with many others, the whole
> list
> > > > > containing what may be regarded as the chief sanctuaries of the land
>
> > > > > to the number of thirty-one. Numerous other similar and more
> extensive
> > > > > lists, enumerating every shrine and temple in the country, also
> exist,
> > > > > though in a very imperfect state, and in addition to these, many
> holy
> > > > > places are referred to in the bilingual, historical, and other
> > > > > inscriptions. All the great cities of Babylonia, moreover, were
> sacred
> > > > > places, the chief in renown and importance in later days being the
> > > > > great city of Babylon, where Ã� -sagila, "the temple of the high head
> "
> > > > > in which was apparently the shrine called "the temple of the
> > > > > foundation of heaven and earth," held the first place. This building
> > > > > is called by Nebuchadnezzar "the temple-tower of Babylon," and may
> > > > > better be regarded as the site of the Biblical "Tower of Babel" than
> > > > > the traditional foundation, Ã� -zida, "the everlasting temple," in
> > > > > Borsippa (the Birs Nimroud)--notwithst anding that Borsippa was
> called
> > > > > the "second Babylon," and its temple-tower "the supreme house of
> > > > > life."
> > > > >
> > > > > The Tower of Babel...
> > > > >
> > > > > Though quite close to Babylon, there is no doubt that Borsippa was a
> > > > > most important religious centre, and this leads to the possibility,
> > > > > that its great temple may have disputed with "the house of the high
> > > > > head," Ã� -sagila in Babylon, the honour of being the site of the
> > > > > confusion of tongues and the dispersion of mankind. There is no
> doubt,
> > > > > however, that Ã� -sagila has the prior claim, it being the temple of
> the
> > > > > supreme god of the later Babylonian pantheon, the counterpart of the
> > > > > God of the Hebrews who commanded the changing of the speech of the
> > > > > people assembled there... Supposing the confusion of tongues to have
> > > > > been a Babylonian legend as well as a Hebrew one (as is possible) it
> > > > > would be by command of Merodach rather than that of Nebo that such a
> > > > > thing would have taken place. Ã� -sagila, which is now the ruin known
> as
> > > > > the mount of Amran ibn Ali, is the celebrated temple of Belus which
> > > > > Alexander and Philip attempted to restore.
> > > > >
> > > > > In addition to the legend of the confusion of tongues, it is
> probable
> > > > > that there were many similar traditions attached to the great
> temples
> > > > > of Babylonia, and as time goes on, and the excavations bring more
> > > > > material, a large number of them will probably be recovered. Already
> > > > > we have an interesting and poetical record of the entry of Bel and
> > > > > Beltis into the great temple at Niffer, probably copied from some
> > > > > ancient source, and Gudea, a king of Lagaš (Telloh), who reigned
> about
> > > > > 2700 B.C., gives an account of the dream which he saw, in which he
> was
> > > > > instructed by the gods to build or rebuild the temple of Nin-Girsu
> in
> > > > > his capital city.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ã� -sagila according to Herodotus.
> > > > >
> > > > > As the chief fane in the land after Babylon became the capital, and
> > > > > the type of many similar erections, Ã� -sagila, the temple of Belus,
> > > > > merits just a short notice. According to Herodotus, it was a massive
> > > > > tower within an enclosure measuring 400 yards each way, and provided
> > > > > with gates of brass, or rather bronze. The tower within consisted of
> a
> > > > > kind of step-pyramid, the stages being seven in number (omitting the
> > > > > lowest, which was the platform forming the foundation of the
> > > > > structure). A winding ascent gave access to the top, where was a
> > > > > chapel or shrine, containing no statue, but regarded by the
> > > > > Babylonians as the abode of the god. Lower down was another shrine,
> in
> > > > > which was placed a great statue of Zeus (Bel-Merodach) sitting, with
> a
> > > > > large table before it. Both statue and table are said to have been
> of
> > > > > gold, as were also the throne and the steps. Outside the sanctuary
> (on
> > > > > the ramp, apparently) were two altars, one small and made of gold,
> > > > > whereon only unweaned lambs were sacrificed, and the other larger,
> for
> > > > > full-grown victims.
> > > > >
> > > > > A Babylonian description.
> > > > >
> > > > > In 1876 the well-known Assyriologist, Mr. George Smith, was
> fortunate
> > > > > enough to discover a Babylonian description of this temple, of which
> > > > > he published a /précis/. According to this document, there were two
> > > > > courts of considerable extent, the smaller within the
> larger--neither
> > > > > of them was square, but oblong. Six gates admitted to the
> temple-area
> > > > > surrounding the platform upon which the tower was built. The
> platform
> > > > > is stated to have been square and walled, with four gates facing the
> > > > > cardinal points. Within this wall was a building connected with the
> > > > > great /zikkurat/ or tower--the principal edifice--round which were
> > > > > chapels or temples to the principal gods, on all four sides, and
> > > > > facing the cardinal points--that to Nebo and Tašmît being on the
> east,
> > > > > to Aa or Ã� a and Nusku on the north, Anu and Bel on the south, and
> the
> > > > > series of buildings on the west, consisting of a double house--a
> small
> > > > > court between two wings, was evidently the shrine of Merodach
> (Belos).
> > > > > In these western chambers stood the couch of the god, and the golden
> > > > > throne mentioned by Herodotus, besides other furniture of great
> value.
> > > > > The couch was given as being 9 cubits long by 4 broad, about as many
> > > > > feet in each case, or rather more.
> > > > >
> > > > > The centre of these buildings was the great /zikkurat/, or temple-
> > > > > tower, square on its plan, and with the sides facing the cardinal
> > > > > points. The lowest stage was 15 /gar/ square by 5 1/2 high (Smith,
> 300
> > > > > feet by 110), and the wall, in accordance with the usual Babylonian
> > > > > custom, seems to have been ornamented with recessed groovings. The
> > > > > second stage was 13 /gar/ square by 3 in height (Smith, 260 by 60
> > > > > feet). He conjectured, from the expression used, that it had sloping
> > > > > sides. Stages three to five were each one /gar/ (Smith, 20 feet)
> high,
> > > > > and respectively 10 /gar/ (Smith, 200 feet), 8 1/2 /gar/ (170 feet),
> > > > > and 7 /gar/ (140 feet) square. The dimensions of the sixth stage are
> > > > > omitted, probably by accident, but Smith conjectures that they were
> in
> > > > > proportion to those which precede. His description omits also the
> > > > > dimensions of the seventh stage, but he gives those of the sanctuary
> > > > > of Belus, which was built upon it. This was 4 /gar/ long, 3 1/2
> /gar/
> > > > > broad, and 2 1/2 /gar/ high (Smith, 80 x 70 x 50 feet). He points
> out,
> > > > > that the total height was, therefore, 15 /gar/, the same as the
> > > > > dimensions of the base, i.e., the lowest platform, which would make
> > > > > the total height of this world-renowned building rather more than
> 300
> > > > > feet above the plains.
> > > > >
> > > > > Other temple-towers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Towers of a similar nature were to be found in all the great cities
> of
> > > > > Babylonia, and it is probable that in most cases slight differences
> of
> > > > > form were to be found. That at Niffer, for instance, seems to have
> had
> > > > > a causeway on each side, making four approaches in the form of a
> > > > > cross. But it was not every city which had a tower of seven stages
> in
> > > > > addition to the platform on which it was erected, and some of the
> > > > > smaller ones at least seem to have had sloping or rounded sides to
> the
> > > > > basement-portion, as is indicated by an Assyrian bas-relief.
> Naturally
> > > > > small temples, with hardly more than the rooms on the ground floor,
> > > > > were to be found, but these temple-towers were a speciality of the
> > > > > country.
> > > > >
> > > > > Their origin.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is some probability that, as indicated in the tenth chapter of
> > > > > Genesis, the desire in building these towers was to get nearer the
> > > > > Deity, or to the divine inhabitants of the heavens in general--it
> > > > > would be easier there to gain attention than on the surface of the
> > > > > earth. Then there was the belief, that the god to whom the place was
> > > > > dedicated would come down to such a sanctuary, which thus became, as
> > > > > it were, the stepping-stone between heaven and earth. Sacrifices
> were
> > > > > also offered at these temple-towers (whether on the highest point or
> > > > > not is not quite certain), in imitation of the Chaldæan Noah,
> > > > > Ut-napištim, who, on coming out of the ark, made an offering /ina
> > > > > zikkurat šadê/, "on the peak of the mountain," in which passage,
> it is
> > > > > to be noted, the word /zikkurat/ occurs with what is probably a more
> > > > > original meaning.
> > > > >
> > > > > CHAPTER III
> > > > >
> > > > > THE BABYLONIAN STORY OF THE CREATION
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the final development of the Babylonian creed. It has
> already
> > > > > been pointed out that the religion of the Babylonians in all
> > > > > probability had two stages before arriving at that in which the god
> > > > > Merodach occupied the position of chief of the pantheon, the two
> > > > > preceding heads having been, seemingly, Anu, the god of the heavens,
> > > > > and Ã� a or Aa, also called Enki, the god of the abyss and of deep
> > > > > wisdom. In order to show this, and at the same time to give an idea
> of
> > > > > their theory of the beginning of things, a short paraphrase of the
> > > > > contents of the seven tablets will be found in the following pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > An Embodiment of doctrine.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as our knowledge goes, the doctrines incorporated in this
> > > > > legend would seem to show the final official development of the
> > > > > beliefs held by the Babylonians, due, in all probability, to the
> > > > > priests of Babylon after that city became the capital of the
> federated
> > > > > states. Modifications of their creed probably took place, but
> nothing
> > > > > seriously affecting it, until after the abandonment of Babylon in
> the
> > > > > time of Seleucus Nicator, 300 B.C. or thereabouts, when the deity at
> > > > > the head of the pantheon seems not to have been Merodach, but
> Anu-Bêl.
> > > > > This legend is therefore the most important document bearing upon
> the
> > > > > beliefs of the Babylonians from the end of the third millennium B.C.
> > > > > until that time, and the philosophical ideas which it contains seem
> to
> > > > > have been held, in a more or less modified form, among the remnants
> > > > > who still retained the old Babylonian faith, until the sixth century
> > > > > of the present era, as the record by Damascius implies. Properly
> > > > > speaking, it is not a record of the creation, but the story of the
> > > > > fight between Bel and the Dragon, to which the account of the
> creation
> > > > > is prefixed by way of introduction.
> > > > >
> > > > > Water the first creator.
> > > > >
> > > > > The legend begins by stating that, when the heavens were unnamed and
> > > > > the earth bore no name, the primæval ocean was the producer of all
> > > > > things, and Mummu Tiawath (the sea) she who brought forth everything
> > > > > existing. Their waters (that is, of the primæval ocean and of the
> sea)
> > > > > were all united in one, and neither plains nor marshes were to be
> > > > > seen; the gods likewise did not exist, even in name, and the fates
> > > > > were undetermined- -nothing had been decided as to the future of
> > > > > things. Then arose the great gods. Lahmu and Lahame came first,
> > > > > followed, after a long period, by Anšar and Kišar, generally
> > > > > identified with the "host of heaven" and the "host of earth," these
> > > > > being the meanings of the component parts of their names. After a
> > > > > further long period of days, there came forth their son Anu, the god
> > > > > of the heavens.
> > > > >
> > > > > The gods.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here the narrative is defective, and is continued by Damascius in
> his
> > > > > /Doubts and Solutions of the First Principles/, in which he states
> > > > > that, after Anos (Anu), come Illinos (Ellila or Bel, "the lord" /par
> > > > > excellence/) and Aos (Aa, Ae, or Ã� a), the god of Eridu. Of Aos and
> > > > > Dauké (the Babylonian Aa and Damkina) is born, he says, a son
> called
> > > > > Belos (Bel-Merodach) , who, they (apparently the Babylonians) say,
> is
> > > > > the fabricator of the world--the creator.
> > > > >
> > > > > The designs against them.
> > > > >
> > > > > At this point Damascius ends his extract, and the Babylonian tablet
> > > > > also becomes extremely defective. The next deity to come into
> > > > > existence, however, would seem to have been Nudimmud, who was
> > > > > apparently the deity Aa or Ã� a (the god of the sea and of rivers) as
> > > > > the god of creation. Among the children of Tauthé (Tiawath)
> enumerated
> > > > > by Damascius is one named Moumis, who was evidently referred to in
> the
> > > > > document at that philosopher' s disposal. If this be correct, his
> name,
> > > > > under the form of Mummu, probably existed in one of the defective
> > > > > lines of the first portion of this legend--in any case, his name
> > > > > occurs later on, with those of Tiawath and Apsu (the Deep), his
> > > > > parents, and the three seem to be compared, to their disadvantage,
> > > > > with the progeny of Lahmu and Lahame, the gods on high. As the ways
> of
> > > > > these last were not those of Tiawath's brood, and Apsu complained
> that
> > > > > he had no peace by day nor rest by night on account of their
> > > > > proceedings, the three representatives of the chaotic deep, Tiawath,
> > > > > Apsu, and Mummu, discussed how they might get rid the beings who
> > > > > wished to rise to higher things. Mummu was apparently the prime
> mover
> > > > > in the plot, and the face of Apsu grew bright at the thought of the
> > > > > evil plan which they had devised against "the gods their sons." The
> > > > > inscription being very mutilated here, its full drift cannot be
> > > > > gathered, but from the complete portions which come later it would
> > > > > seem that Mummu's plan was not a remarkably cunning one, being
> simply
> > > > > to make war upon and destroy the gods of heaven.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tiawath's preparations.
> > > > >
> > > > > The preparations made for this were elaborate. Restlessly, day and
> > > > > night, the powers of evil raged and toiled, and assembled for the
> > > > > fight. 'Mother Hubur," as Tiawath is named in this passage, called
> her
> > > > > creative powers into action, and gave her followers irresistible
> > > > > weapons. She brought into being also various monsters--giant
> serpents,
> > > > > sharp of tooth, bearing stings, and with poison filling their bodies
> > > > > like blood; terrible dragons endowed with brilliance, and of
> enormous
> > > > > stature, reared on high, raging dogs, scorpion-men, fish-men, and
> many
> > > > > other terrible beings, were created and equipped, the whole being
> > > > > placed under the command of a deity named Kingu, whom she calls her
> > > > > "only husband," and to whom she delivers the tablets of fate, which
> > > > > conferred upon him the godhead of Anu (the heavens), and enabled
> their
> > > > > possessor to determine the gates among the gods her sons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kingu replaces Absu.
> > > > >
> > > > > The change in the narrative which comes in here suggests that this
> is
> > > > > the point at which two legends current in Babylonia were united.
> > > > > Henceforward we hear nothing more of Apsu, the begetter of all
> things,
> > > > > Tiawath's spouse, nor of Mummu, their son. In all probability there
> is
> > > > > good reason for this, and inscriptions will doubtless ultimately be
> > > > > found which will explain it, but until then it is only natural to
> > > > > suppose that two different legends have been pieced together to form
> a
> > > > > harmonious whole.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tiawath's aim.
> > > > >
> > > > > As will be gathered from the above, the story centres in the wish of
> > > > > the goddess of the powers of evil and her kindred to retain
> creation--
> > > > > the forming of all living things--in her own hands. As Tiawath means
> > > > > "the sea," and Apsu "the deep," it is probable that this is a kind
> of
> > > > > allegory personifying the productive power seen in the teeming life
> of
> > > > > the ocean, and typifying the strange and wonderful forms found
> > > > > therein, which were symbolical, to the Babylonian mind, of chaos and
> > > > > confusion, as well as of evil.
> > > > >
> > > > > The gods hear of the conspiracy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aa, or Ã� a, having learned of the plot of Tiawath and her followers
> > > > > against the gods of heaven, naturally became filled with anger, and
> > > > > went and told the whole to Anšar, his father, who in his turn gave
> way
> > > > > to his wrath, and uttered cries of the deepest grief... After
> > > > > considering what they would do, Anšar applied to his son Anu, "the
> > > > > mighty and brave," saying that, if he would only speak to her, the
> > > > > great dragon's anger would be assuaged, and her rage disappear. In
> > > > > obedience to this behest, Anu went to try his power with the monster
>
> > > > > but on beholding her snarling face, feared to approach her, and
> turned
> > > > > back. Nudimmud was next called upon to become the representative of
> > > > > the gods against their foe, but his success was as that of Anu, and
> it
> > > > > became needful to seek another champion.
> > > > >
> > > > > And choose Merodach as their champion.
> > > > >
> > > > > The choice fell upon Merodach, the Belus (Bel-Merodach) of Damascius
> s
> > > > > paraphrase, and at once met with an enthusiastic reception. The god
> > > > > asked simply that an "unchangeable command" might be given to him--
> > > > > that whatever he ordained should without fail come to pass, in order
> > > > > that he might destroy the common enemy. Invitations were sent to the
> > > > > gods asking them to a festival, where, having met together, they ate
> > > > > and drank, and "decided the fate" for Merodach their avenger,
> > > > > apparently meaning that he was decreed their defender in the
> conflict
> > > > > with Tiawath, and that the power of creating and annihilating by the
> > > > > word of his mouth was his. Honours were then conferred upon him;
> > > > > princely chambers were erected for him, wherein he sat as judge "in
> > > > > the presence of his fathers," and the rule over the whole universe
> was
> > > > > given to him. The testing of his newly acquired power followed. A
> > > > > garment was placed in their midst:
> > > > >
> > > > > "He spake with his mouth, and the garment was destroyed,
> > > > > He spake to it again, and the garment was reproduced."
> > > > >
> > > > > Merodach proclaimed king.
> > > > >
> > > > > On this proof of the reality of the powers conferred on him, all the
> > > > > gods shouted "Merodach is king!" and handed to him sceptre, throne,
> > > > > and insignia of royalty. An irresistible weapon, which should
> shatter
> > > > > all his enemies, was then given to him, and he armed himself also
> with
> > > > > spear or dart, bow, and quiver; lightning flashed before him, and
> > > > > flaming fire filled his body. Anu, the god of the heavens, had given
> > > > > him a great net, and this he set at the four cardinal points, in
> order
> > > > > that nothing of the dragon, when he had defeated her, should escape.
> > > > > Seven winds he then created to accompany him, and the great weapon
> > > > > called /Abubu/, "the Flood," completed his equipment. All being
> ready,
> > > > > he mounted his dreadful, irresistible chariot, to which four steeds
> > > > > were yoked--steeds unsparing, rushing forward, rapid in flight,
> their
> > > > > teeth full of venom, foam-covered, experienced in galloping,
> schooled
> > > > > in overthrowing. Being now ready for the fray, Merodach fared forth
> to
> > > > > meet Tiawath, accompanied by the fervent good wishes of "the gods
> his
> > > > > fathers."
> > > > >
> > > > > The fight with Tiawath.
> > > > >
> > > > > Advancing, he regarded Tiawath's retreat, but the sight of the enemy
> > > > > was so menacing that even the great Merodach (if we understand the
> > > > > text rightly) began to falter. This, however, was not for long, and
> > > > > the king of the gods stood before Tiawath, who, on her side,
> remained
> > > > > firm and undaunted. In a somewhat long speech, in which he
> reproaches
> > > > > Tiawath for her rebellion, he challenges her to battle, and the two
> > > > > meet in fiercest fight. To all appearance the type of all evil did
> not
> > > > > make use of honest weapons, but sought to overcome the king of the
> > > > > gods with incantations and charms. These, however, had not the
> > > > > slightest effect, for she found herself at once enclosed in Merodach
> s
> > > > > net, and on opening her mouth to resist and free herself, the evil
> > > > > wind, which Merodach had sent on before him, entered, so that she
> > > > > could not close her lips, and thus inflated, her heart was
> > > > > overpowered, and she became a prey to her conqueror. Having cut her
> > > > > asunder and taken out her heart, thus destroying her life, he threw
> > > > > her body down and stood thereon... Her followers then attempted to
> > > > > escape, but found themselves surrounded and unable to get forth.
> Like
> > > > > their mistress, they were thrown into the net, and sat in bonds,
> being
> > > > > afterwards shut up in prison. As for Kingu, he was raised up, bound,
> > > > > and delivered to be with Ugga, the god of death. The tablets of fate
>
> > > > > which Tiawath had delivered to Kingu, were taken from him by
> Merodach,
> > > > > who pressed his seal upon them, and placed them in his breast. The
> > > > > deity Anšar, who had been, as it would seem, deprived of his
> rightful
> > > > > power by Tiawath, received that power again on the death of the
> common
> > > > > foe, and Nudimmud "saw his desire upon his enemy."
> > > > >
> > > > > Tiawath's fate..
> > > > >
> > > > > The dismemberment of Tiawath then followed, and her veins having
> been
> > > > > cut through, the north wind was caused by the deity to carry her
> blood
> > > > > away into secret places, a statement which probably typifies the
> > > > > opening of obstructions which prevent the rivers flowing from the
> > > > > north from running into the southern seas, helped thereto by the
> north
> > > > > wind. Finally her body was divided, like "a /mašdê/-fish," into
> two
> > > > > parts, one of which was made into a covering for the heavens--the
> > > > > "waters above the firmament" of Genesis i. 7.
> > > > >
> > > > > Merodach orders the world anew.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then came the ordering of the universe anew. Having made a covering
> > > > > for the heavens with half the body of the defeated Dragon of Chaos,
> > > > > Merodach set the Abyss, the abode of Nudimmud, in front, and made a
> > > > > corresponding edifice above--the heavens--where he founded stations
> > > > > for the gods Anu, Bel, and Ae. Stations for the great gods in the
> > > > > likeness of constellations, together with what is regarded as the
> > > > > Zodiac, were his next work. He then designated the year, setting
> three
> > > > > constellations for each month, and made a station for Nibiru--
> > > > > Merodach's own star--as the overseer of all the lights in the
> > > > > firmament. He then caused the new moon, Nannaru, to shine, and made
> > > > > him the ruler of the night, indicating his phases, one of which was
> on
> > > > > the seventh day, and the other, a /šabattu/, or day of rest, in the
> > > > > middle of the month. Directions with regard to the moon's movements
> > > > > seem to follow, but the record is mutilated, and their real nature
> > > > > consequently doubtful. With regard to other works which were
> performed
> > > > > we have no information, as a gap prevents their being ascertained.
> > > > > Something, however, seems to have been done with Merodach's net--
> > > > > probably it was placed in the heavens as a constellation, as was his
> > > > > bow, to which several names were given. Later on, the winds were
> bound
> > > > > and assigned to their places, but the account of the arrangement of
> > > > > other things is mutilated and obscure, though it can be recognised
> > > > > that the details in this place were of considerable interest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The creation of man.
> > > > >
> > > > > To all appearance the gods, after he had ordered the universe and
> the
> > > > > things then existing, urged Merodach to further works of wonder.
> > > > > Taking up their suggestion, he considered what he should do, and
> then
> > > > > communicated to his father Ae his plan for the creation of man with
> > > > > his own blood, in order that the service and worship of the gods
> might
> > > > > be established. This portion is also unfortunately very imperfect,
> and
> > > > > the details of the carrying out of the plan are entirely wanting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Berosus' narrative fills the gap.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is noteworthy that this portion of the narrative has been
> preserved
> > > > > by Abydenus, George the Syncellus, and Eusebius, in their quotations
> > > > > from Berosus. According to this Chaldæan writer, there was a woman
> > > > > named Omoroca, or, in Chaldæan, Thalatth (apparently a mistake for
> > > > > Thauatth, i.e. Tiawath), whose name was equivalent to the Greek
> > > > > Thalassa, the sea. It was she who had in her charge all the strange
> > > > > creatures then existing. At this period, Belus (Bel-Merodach) came,
> > > > > and cut the woman asunder, forming out of one half the earth, and of
> > > > > the other the heavens, at the same time destroying all the creatures
> > > > > which were within her--all this being an allegory, for the whole
> > > > > universe consists of moisture, and creatures are constantly
> generated
> > > > > therein. The deity then cut off his own head, and the other gods
> mixed
> > > > > the blood, as it gushed out, with the earth, and from this men were
> > > > > formed. Hence it is that men are rational, and partake of divine
> > > > > knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > > A second creation.
> > > > >
> > > > > This Belsus, "who is called Zeus," divided the darkness, separated
> the
> > > > > heavens from the earth, and reduced the universe to order. The
> animals
> > > > > which had been created, however, not being able to bear the light,
> > > > > died. Belus then, seeing the void thus made, ordered one of the gods
> > > > > to take off his head, and mix the blood with the soil, forming other
> > > > > men and animals which should be able to bear the light. He also
> formed
> > > > > the stars, the sun, the moon, and the five planets. It would thus
> seem
> > > > > that there were two creations, the first having been a failure
> because
> > > > > Belus had not foreseen that it was needful to produce beings which
> > > > > should be able to bear the light. Whether this repetition was really
> > > > > in the Babylonian legend, or whether Berosus (or those who quote
> him)
> > > > > has merely inserted and united two varying accounts, will only be
> > > > > known when the cuneiform text is completed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The concluding tablet.
> > > > >
> > > > > The tablet of the fifty-one names completes the record of the
> tablets
> > > > > found at Nineveh and Babylon. In this Merodach receives the titles
> of
> > > > > all the other gods, thus identifying him with them, and leading to
> > > > > that tendency to monotheism of which something will be said later on
>
> > > > > In this text, which is written, like the rest of the legend, in
> > > > > poetical form, Merodach is repeatedly called /Tutu/, a mystic word
> > > > > meaning "creator," and "begetter," from the reduplicate root /tu/ or
> > > > > /utu/--which was to all appearances his name when it was desired to
> > > > > refer to him especially in that character. Noteworthy in this
> portion
> > > > > is the reference to Merodach's creation of mankind:--
> > > > >
> > > > > Line 25. "Tuto: Aga-azaga (the glorious crown)--may he make the
> crowns
> > > > > glorious.
> > > > > 26. The lord of the glorious incantation bringing the dead to
> > > > > life;
> > > > > 27. He who had mercy on the gods who had been overpowered;
> > > > > 28. Made heavy the yoke which he had laid on the gods who were
> > > > > his enemies,
> > > > > 29. (And) to redeem(?) them, created mankind.
> > > > > 30. 'The merciful one,' 'he with whom is salvation,'
> > > > > 31. May his word be established, and not forgotten,
> > > > > 32. In the mouth of the black-headed ones[*] whom his hands have
> > > > > made."
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] I...e. mankind.
> > > > >
> > > > > Man the redeemer.
> > > > >
> > > > > The phrase "to redeem them" is, in the original, /ana padi-šunu/,
> the
> > > > > verb being from /padû/, "to spare," "set free," and if this
> rendering
> > > > > be correct, as seems probable, the Babylonian reasons for the
> creation
> > > > > of mankind would be, that they might carry on the service and
> worship
> > > > > of the gods, and by their righteousness redeem those enemies of the
> > > > > gods who were undergoing punishment for their hostility. Whether by
> > > > > this Tiawath, Apsu, Mummu, Kingu, and the monsters whom she had
> > > > > created were included, or only the gods of heaven who had joined her
>
> > > > > the record does not say. Naturally, this doctrine depends entirely
> > > > > upon the correctness of the translation of the words quoted. Jensen,
> > > > > who first proposed this rendering, makes no attempt to explain it,
> and
> > > > > simply asks: "Does 'them' in 'to redeem(?) them' refer to the gods
> > > > > named in line 28 or to mankind and then to a future--how meant?--
> > > > > redemption? Eschatology? Zimmern's 'in their place' unprovable.
> > > > > Delitzsch refrains from an explanation. "
> > > > >
> > > > > The bilingual account of the creation. Aruru aids Merodach.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whilst dealing with this part of the religious beliefs of the
> > > > > Babylonians, a few words are needed concerning the creation-story
> > > > > which is prefixed to an incantation used in a purification ceremony.
> > > > > The original text is Sumerian (dialectic), and is provided with a
> > > > > Semitic translation. In this inscription, after stating that nothing
> > > > > (in the beginning) existed, and even the great cities and temples of
> > > > > Babylonia were as yet unbuilt, the condition of the world is briefly
> > > > > indicated by the statement that "All the lands were sea." The
> renowned
> > > > > cities of Babylonia seem to have been regarded as being as much
> > > > > creations of Merodach as the world and its inhabitants- -indeed, it
> is
> > > > > apparently for the glorification of those cities by attributing
> their
> > > > > origin to Merodach, that the bilingual account of the creation was
> > > > > composed.. "When within the sea there was a stream"--that is, when
> the
> > > > > veins of Tiawath had been cut through--Ã� ridu (probably = Paradise)
> and
> > > > > the temple Ã� -sagila within the Abyss were constructed, and after
> that
> > > > > Babylon and the earthly temple of Ã� -sagila within it. Then he made
> the
> > > > > gods and the Annunnaki (the gods of the earth), proclaimed a
> glorious
> > > > > city as the seat of the joy of their hearts, and afterwards made a
> > > > > pleasant place in which the gods might dwell. The creation of
> mankind
> > > > > followed, in which Merodach was aided by the goddess Aruru, who made
> > > > > mankind's seed. Finally, plants, trees, and the animals, were
> > > > > produced, after which Merodach constructed bricks, beams, houses,
> and
> > > > > cities, including Niffer and Erech with their renowned temples.
> > > > >
> > > > > We see here a change in the teaching with regard to Merodach--the
> gods
> > > > > are no longer spoken of as "his fathers," but he is the creator of
> the
> > > > > gods, as well as of mankind.
> > > > >
> > > > > The order of the gods in the principal lists.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is unfortunate that no lists of gods have been found in a
> > > > > sufficiently complete state to allow of the scheme after which they
> > > > > were drawn up to be determined without uncertainty. It may,
> > > > > nevertheless, be regarded as probable that these lists, at least in
> > > > > some cases, are arranged in conformity (to a certain extent) with
> the
> > > > > appearance of the deities in the so-called creation-story. Some of
> > > > > them begin with Anu, and give him various names, among them being
> > > > > Anšar and Kišar, Lahmu and Lahame, etc. More specially interesting
>
> > > > > however, is a well-known trilingual list of gods, which contains the
> > > > > names of the various deities in the following order:--
> > > > >
> > > > > EXTRACTS FROM THE TRILINGUAL LIST
> > > > > /Obverse/
> > > > >
> > > > > Sumer. Dialect Sumer. Standard Common Explanation
> > > > > (Semit. or Sumer.)
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Dimmer Dingir ÃŽlu God.
> > > > > 2. U-ki En-ki Ã� -a Ã� a or Aa.
> > > > > 3. Gašan(?)-ki Nin-ki Dawkina Dauké, the
> > > > > consort of Ã� a.
> > > > > 4. Mu-ul-lil En-lil-la Bêl The God Bel.
> > > > > 5. E-lum A-lim Bêl
> > > > > 6. Gašan(?)-lil Nin-lil-la dam-bi sal Bel's
> > > > > consort.
> > > > > 7. U-lu-a Ni-rig Ã� nu-rêštu The god of
> > > > > Niffer.
> > > > > 8. U-lib-a Ni-rig Ã� nu-rêštu
> > > > >
> > > > > 9-12 have Ã� nu-rêštu's consort, sister, and attendant.
> > > > >
> > > > > 13. U-šab-sib En-šag-duga Nusku Nusku
> > > > >
> > > > > 14-19 have two other names of Nusku, followed by three names of his
> > > > > consort. A number of names of minor divinities then follow. At
> > > > > line 43 five names of Ã� a are given, followed by four of
> > > > > Merodach:--
> > > > >
> > > > > 48. U-bi-lu-lu En-bi-lu-lu Marduk Merodach
> > > > > 49. U-Tin-dir ki En-Tin-dir ki Marduk Merodach as
> > > > > lord of Babylon."
> > > > > 50. U-dimmer-an- kia En-dinger-an- kia Marduk Merodach
> > > > > as "lord god of heaven and earth."
> > > > > 51. U-ab-šar-u En-ab-šar-u Marduk Merodach,
> > > > > apparently as "lord of the 36,000 steers."
> > > > > 52. U-bar-gi-si Nin-bar-gi-si Zer-panîtum Merodach's
> > > > > consort.
> > > > > 53. Gašan-abzu Nin-abzu dam-bi sal "the Lady of
> > > > > the Abyss," his consort.
> > > > >
> > > > > The remainder of the obverse is mutilated, but gave the names of
> Nebo
> > > > > in Sumerian, and apparently also of Tašmêtum, his consort. The
> > > > > beginning of the reverse also is mutilated, but seems to have given
> > > > > the names of the sun-god, Šamaš, and his consort, followed by
> those of
> > > > > Kîttu and Mêšarum, "justice and righteousness, " his attend
> > > > > ...
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